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lead key

Postby ridderhenck » Sat May 19, 2007 8:58 pm

I,m thinking of making lead blanks in order to make impressioning easier,does anyone have experience with it?
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Postby Shrub » Sat May 19, 2007 9:00 pm

Yes,

Forget it in the way your thinking, it needs to be done a little differantly,

I will drop you a pm :wink:
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Postby Shrub » Sat May 19, 2007 9:02 pm

Ah stuff it, ill post up here a little guide on it with pics as ive been doing this for a while a now and still experimenting,

Give me a day or so to get somthign together,
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Postby jimb » Sat May 19, 2007 10:24 pm

Shrub wrote:Ah stuff it, ill post up here a little guide on it with pics as ive been doing this for a while a now and still experimenting,

Give me a day or so to get somthign together,


Years ago when printers still used lead type I had some opportunity to work with lead. I would think that a lead blank would be too soft to use for impressioning, so I'm anxious and curious to see what you've come up with.
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Postby cjames73 » Sat May 19, 2007 11:14 pm

you can use a piece of lead as an insert on a blank key.
first you need to cut out a section below the deepest cut for that particular lock.

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then you need to solder the lead into the key,
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now you have to file the lead to fit the warding.
use the original warding at the beginning and end of the blank as a guide.
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Postby raimundo » Sat May 19, 2007 11:27 pm

lead is very malleable, not at all ductile, and only conductive enough for solderjoints. I forget all the other properties of metals, I dont use the other properties enough,.

long ago, Jack llewyelln (or however the welsh spell that) put a bunch of brass keys into his self cleaning oven, put the oven on clean, and when he got the blanks out,they were too soft to use as impressioning keys, there is a lot of force used in impressing, so forget about the lead, but the method cjjames and shrub know uses the backbone of brass
still lead can be too soft for impressioning, as it is likely to make false impressions because its just to easy to ding.
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one more thing

Postby raimundo » Sat May 19, 2007 11:30 pm

if you do it as cjames said, file a stick of chalk one stroke between every stroke of the file into the lead, this will help when you try to file card that lead out of there. file the chalk first, this will fill the tight little depths of the teeth with a loose material that will not stick. then the lead will not be so able to permanently fill the file.
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Postby ridderhenck » Sat May 19, 2007 11:43 pm

Now that,s quite some useful info,Shrub I,ll be waiting for your info,pictures also but this is really great thanks :D
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Postby Shrub » Mon May 21, 2007 12:24 am

Ray, with respect you do not know what my method is, my method works and is used by myself regulary and i have quite a few moulds now in my collection for various keyways,

Ridderhenck, ill pm you in the next few days with instructions on my method,
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Postby PickPick » Mon May 21, 2007 1:32 am

I'd be interested as well :)
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Postby Schuyler » Mon May 21, 2007 1:37 am

:) and I
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Postby cjames73 » Mon May 21, 2007 1:42 am

count me in! :D
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Postby jimb » Mon May 21, 2007 2:21 am

I can understand if you don't want to post it, but I would also be interested.
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Postby freakparade3 » Mon May 21, 2007 2:57 am

Me too Mr. Shrub.
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Postby maxxed » Tue May 22, 2007 9:56 am

Shrub I would also like to see your method
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