Finnish Pisla lock

[valexi]

Hi!

I'm quite new to this hobby and been opening some chinese locks etc.
My best is now ABUS 65/40, which I can open in seconds - 30secs.

I recently bought this Pisla lock and have been trying to open it ever since.
I can't find any information about it. It just says the name, not any number codes eg. ABUS has.

Here is some pictures to help you guys out. Can anyone point me to a direction?







Here I'm opening the ABUS lock:





Thanks for advance.

[Wizer]

Hello, valexi, and wellcome to LP101!
Where are you from?
About the Pisla lock: The company is Finnish but I think the locks are made in Russia, Czeck, or Poland.
I´ve got one that looks just like your padlock. There are different sizes. It feels my lock has 4 spool pins + one normal.
I found it pretty hard to pick when I got it, but now it feels allmost easy.
Your key bitting looks hard, and I´m not sure your pick can handle it.
Try to tension it from top, and pick it with a medium hook.
Happy picking!

[Wizer]

Oh, here you can find more info about Pisla:
http://www.pisla.fi/index.php?id=46

[valexi]

Hi!
I'm from Kuopio. Nice to see other Finnish people on this board.

I also noticed that my pick probably can't set the all pins. Can you recommend some set, which can handle most of these basic locks?
I am able to set some pins on the middle and it seems that there are number of spool pins inside, because when I release the torque I can hear several pins clicking, but the key chamber has not been moving towards opening at all like in ABUS lock on this picture:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1978345/misc/lo ... C11658.JPG

This lock is like half bigger than my ABUS lock and so is the key chamber. I need probably a larger pick?

[Wizer]

Hyvvee päevee!
I think it might not be worth buying a new set just to get one pick.
This could be just the right time to make your own. All you need is a hacksaw blade, grinder / dremel (or just a file) and some sand paper. You can find lots of info on pick making in "lockpicks manual" - forum, and somewhere there is a thread about templates stickied too...
But if you´re gonna get a new set, look for a small set from a reputable manufactorer like South Ord, HPC, or Peterson just to name few. There are rewiews of most picks on LP101. By "small" set I mean like 4-8 piece set. DON´T waste your money on a fancy 47-piece set, you´ll end up using maybe 4 of them anyway. For rewiews of picksets you could allso check Locksmitharmys (a member here) site : http://www.locksmitharmy.com/lock-picks.php

[valexi]

Yea, I think that I will try making my own next week, when I got some days off the work.

You know, if there is any weekends for the Finnish lock picking hobbyist?
Gather together take couple of beers and pick locks? And show off your own picking sets, homemade etc?

[Wizer]

You know, if there is any weekends for the Finnish lock picking hobbyist?

None, that I know of. I don´t think there are very many hobbyists here. But if a meeting would be held here in southern Finland I´d definetly want to participate.
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19326

[valexi]

I actually got pissed off with this lock, so I decided to buy a smaller Pisla lock to see if I am really that terrible.

This opens up like piece of cake. Here is some pictures for the reference how much bigger this Pisla lock is (which I have problems).





So I decided to start doing my own picks, here is some pictures of the templates.
I'll start grinding them today or tomorrow... These are just harsh templates, because I had only one big CD-marker to use. I'll make them smaller/sharper as I grind them...

[femurat]

In this case the size doesn't matter! The key bittings are different: your small lock has an easy bittings, your big ones has an harder one. That's why you're struggling with the big one.

Good idea to start making your own picks. Remember, grind slowly and quench your picks in water every few seconds to keep them cool!

Cheers

[valexi]

Yes, you are right. But I checked my picks, and I don't think that any of my picks can reach to set these bittings properly on the bigger one.
Thats why I try to open it with my own made picks. Do you agree on this? Thanks!

[criminalhate]

if you have the key lay your pick beside it and check to see if the length is close.

___key
__VvvVv
)=====^

[Wizer]

I dug my lock out to see if it really was as hard as I remembered.
Its a 50 mm. one like your bigger lock. Picked it a couple times, and I must say I was propably wrong about the spools.
Alltho the plug moves a little after one or two set pins, there is no real counter rotation when setting next pins.
The thing that makes this lock hard in the beginning is the strong spring that you have to overcome to move the plug at all.
You can feel it when using a key too. So you have to tension quite hard to bind the pins, but you don´t want to bind them hard.
And when its picked, to open the lock you need about as much torque as a tensionwrench can take.
It would be safest to use a small screwdriver at this point. The size of the lock could actually matter in this case. Maybe the smaller lock has a weaker spring?
When posting pictures, could you make the a little smaller? I think 800x600 was the max?
You´ll pick the lock eventually!

[valexi]

I resized the pictures.

I actually made couple of picks myself today, and I was playing with them and I actually picked this lock by accident!
So it can be done with these new handmade tools.

Yes the spring is tough as hell compared to smaller Pisla. I think that this seems to be the issue, because I have hard time determine how much torque I need.

[valexi]

btw. Does your lock give you any feedback? This lock does not talk to me at all like my ABUS does.

[Wizer]

It sure does. Some of the pins set with a snap, and as I wrote earlier, I can feel the plug turning a little when the first pins are set. It could be different with another lock from the same shelf.
Isn´t it great to pick a lock with tools you made yourself?!