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by whitelever » Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:58 am
Hi All
I am fairly new to mortice lock picking, i have just managed to open a BS 5 Lever Union lock, but now I am stuck on a BS 5 Lever Chubb lock. The main reason seems to be that on of the levers is actually touching the curtain and I can't move the pick past this without upsetting the previously picked lever from dropping back, is this a common problem our have I just got the wrong type of pick (RB 5 Lever curtain pick)?
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by EvoRed » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:21 am
To get those low levers you'll need a pick like the Chris Belcher. The RB, like the Safeventures, won't get beneath the low levers.
You will probably find the 3G114 is not as easy a pick as the Union either. Safeventures do a pin and cam for this lock.
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by whitelever » Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:00 pm
Many Thanks Evored - I have also seen mentioned on this forum reference to a Mark Francis curtain pick do you know if this would do the job and does anyone know where I could get one?
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by EvoRed » Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:22 pm
The MF pick will do the job too, yes. You can get these from Aldridge and the CB picks from M E Duffell's.
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by Shrub » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:24 pm
Does anyone know how good the new MF wire is?
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by Al » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:46 am
It's 1.6mm piano wire the same as several others. The longer length of the CB or MFL wire naturally gives more flex than the safe venture style picks with the short wire set in a bar.
Which ever pick you have you should be looking to make yourself spare wires with different bends and dimensions to cope with the great variety of locks out there.
Alan Morgan Master Locksmiths.
Experts in Locks and Safes.
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by quicklocks » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:02 am
i use the mf pick with the new wire and handle its a good pick and works well the cb pick is also a good pick and neither is a magic wand, both need practice.
i dont yet own the cb pick but have used it on a few occasions and found it very well made and worth the money, where the mf is a little more robust but its also worth its money and is cheaper that the cb. you get what you pay for with these two picks.
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by pinky » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:12 am
al is right, make and experiment with different wires , far more cost effective than buying , especialy with the piano wire being about £1 a meter.
why not experiment with different curtain turners, and small piano wire J wires for overlifting, many BS locks are easily picked this way.
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by Shrub » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:22 pm
pinky wrote:small piano wire J wires for overlifting, many BS locks are easily picked this way.
 Just finding this out, already got a Union overlifter and got a tool on the way to make it possable for the others without using wire 
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by jason » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:43 am
Hi guys - been away for a while (Boss told me to stop picking locks - and that we were to hire a locksmith instead - erm can't quite work out how that saves us money but then again I'm not a manager!  )
Anyway - anybody know where I can get piano wire) I always thought that it was used to strangle people
sledgehammers make excellent back up picks!
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by Keyring » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:17 am
Anyway - anybody know where I can get piano wire
Model shop is where I get it.
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by jason » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:55 pm
Cheers lads - just thinking about the strangling people now - anyone got any good ideas about where to dispose of the bodies (the voices don't tell me that!)
sledgehammers make excellent back up picks!
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