Carrying picks in the UK

[illusion]

Well educated perhaps, but unelected!

Sorry, but whilst the BNP are a bunch of racist 'foreigner-bashing' extremists, they still have to be elected.

Let's see the Lords' power when the Salisbury Convention is next used.

[parapilot]

Never believe statistics you can make data say anything you want it to.

90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Illusion do you have a driving licence???

I hate it when the police are not using there head. Outside a school or similar i'm all for speed guns, but at 8:30 on a sunday morning on a wide open road with no one else about, on dry roads doing 40 in 30 aint a big problem (yes the last time i got done)

They should set speed traps at accident black spots or places like schools, not in the middle of no where just to get some cash for the pot.

J

[illusion]

I've had about 20 lessons now, and will take the test in about 2-3 weeks.

[bonez]

I've had about 20 lessons now, and will take the test in about 2-3 weeks.

and good luck with it mate.

[Shrub]

I got done for doing 34 in a 30 zone a long time ago, i accept the fact i was doing wrong and didnt contest it although at 33 i would have done as the vehicle speedon is allowed a 10% discrepancy,

The fact of what i do for a hobby and the way i do drive 34 was nothing, the cars up to it and im up to it but needless to say the laws are there,

Can we get back in line with the site rules and leave politics out of it please,

Ps, i decided to drive on a Saturday, the next day i had my first lesson, i then had a lesson every night for that week and passed my test on the saturday exactally 7 days afer decideing i wanted to drive, the last few of my lessons were basically running my instructor round on errands, took her shopping one day lol

[jb68]

I got a mate like you Shrub, took a 7 day intensive course and passed first time. I passed second time on me car test Took me HGV1 at 24yrs old got that one first time though.
My eldest passed her test about a month ago she got it second time too
The speed thing is a hypocrytical thing I think, in that we all think that we are good drivers (as opposed to all the other muppets on the road) who can drive well because we know our vehicles well and are fully in control, and to a point, experience and knowledge of your motor does give you confidence in your driving making you a better driver but it's the unexpected that can bite you on the arse.
Coming down the road the other day, the road goes from 30 to 40 and like a lot of people I sticks me foot down a bit early so I am actualy over the limit for about 50 yards.
Next thing a girl of about 14 runs out right in front of me and my heart's in me mouth.
If she'd have frozen and stopped, she'd have been lights out.
The point is that you just never know whats around the corner whatever speed you're going.
The thing is even though it was her in the wrong for stepping out and mine for speeding, It don't matter, when you've caused the death of someone with all the implications that go with it.
As for speed cameras, I think your right Illusion if the government wants to show its commitment to road safety put the bloody things where they will do some good, and not to just raise revenue for them.
And that is just my tuppence hapeny's worth.

Right I'm done anyone want a soap box

[CaptB]

Speed cameras there has been 12 put in worcester in the last couple of years none on any of the roads with serious incidents. Just in locations where people generally pick up speed.
At the end of the day we shouldn`t be speeding ive had more than my fair share of speeding tickets and fines. But ive had a clean license for the last 8 years. Highest speed caught at was 120mph in a 30 zone. At 3am at the end of a dual carriageway the police managed to catch up with me 10 miles later ( I hadn`t seen them and they only just managed to keep me in view). At which point they realised when I reached built up areas I had already dropped to 30mph. So when they did stop me they just had a poke round under the bonnet of my car to see why it went so quick and sent me on my way without a ban. After that I`ve kept within 30 anywhere inside a 30 zone regardless if its open grassland or school. although do agree with a 15 - 20 mph speed limit in front of schools. When i lived in germany we used to have Kinder streets which basically was giant boulders and timber beams set out so that kids could play in the street which actually meant cars physically couldnt speed as the objects were staggered through the road.

[Daorgh9]

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[tyke]

Does anyone know the legal position of someone found carrying lockpicks in the UK? It happend to me once but the policeman did not know what they were.

KJ

The only purpose for a lockpick set is to pick locks, they have no alternate use unlike the above mentioned screwdriver ( toothpicks officer ??? ). As such English law presumes that you are carrying them to pick locks (fair comment really). No other evidence required.

Therefore its one of the nice instances whereby you are presumed guilty unless you can prove your innocence ie bona fide locksmith, perhaps member of a genuine club like LSI. You pays your money and takes your chance.

[sir lot is here]

Well my understanding is......If your caught with these on you - then you are looking at a going equiped to steal- YOU have to PROVE you wasnt going to steal anything -
EXAMPLE; forgot you had them on you
2. allways have them-never leave home without them(ON KEY RING)
3. went to my friends to show him my knew pick
4. if you prove to the police its a hobby show them 101posts & topics made - then i dont think there will be a problem
But if unsure dont take them out,and lets hope no body is going out to steal and use the picking forums as an excuse.

[ryaneddy]

Hi im new and I just wanted to know what the law was. I have ordered a pick locking set to start out so hence wanting knowlege of the law. I know how police can be because im young and ive been search alot. Just for waiting out side a train station on my own waiting for a friend. Ive been search 3 times on the same street once for looking suspicous because i had a tracksuit on. The best part was they couldnt do a thing to me . Police search for nothing and just hope your upto somthing so I know I wont take mine out because I know it would be a job explaing them.

But I dont understand the thing intent because in my eyes that could be anything at all walking past a car, shop, house, bike. But from what yous are saying that intent but i dont have a car and i like walking places so.. you unserstand what im saying.

Off the topic for a second can anyone give a couple of locks to start on .

Thanks Ryan

[ponyutd]

"you unserstand what im saying"

I don't

[ryaneddy]

lol what im getting at is were I live ive been searched alot. I dont own a car. I like walking places so the chances of me being search is high. So i will not be taking them out.

[gf1984]

I understand the practicalities of dealing with suspicious police officers (and in most cases you really can't blame them, look at the nature of the things they are involved with on a day to day basis) but on a philosophical note, illegal to carry a small piece of metal bent into a certain shape? wtf?

Intent? In the USA, supposedly you are "innocent until proven guilty" and isn't our law based on English common law? I know that in reality you are "guilty until you prove yourself innocent" but this is just another example of how the government continually oversteps it's bounds and "knows better."

I carry my picks everywhere I go. (I live in the US, in Virginia). I've thought about being hasseled by the police for it. I haven't been yet, but fully expect to be asked to explain myself one day. Even though I'm a maintenance tech at an apartment complex, am I a "licensed dealer?" I guess not.

The law in Virginia:

18.2-94. Possession of burglarious tools, etc.

If any person have in his possession any tools, implements or outfit, with intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny, upon conviction thereof he shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. The possession of such burglarious tools, implements or outfit by any person other than a licensed dealer, shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to commit burglary, robbery or larceny.

(Code 1950, § 18.1-87; 1960, c. 358; 1970, c. 587; 1975, cc. 14, 15.)

Notice the part about "possession of such burglarious tools....shall be prima facie evidence of an intent" part. Again wtf?

--Steve