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Question about depth keys and duplicators

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Question about depth keys and duplicators

Postby cboscari » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:18 am

Hi,

My name is Chris, and I am a total newbie. Thanks to anyone who can help me answer this question.
I want to buy a key duplicator, and am looking at two small models. I want to, among the obvious use of duplicating keys, use it to originate a new key if the need arises from a set of depth keys. One of the duplicators sales brochure says that it has a double angle stylus attachment and cutter available to do this, but the other does not mention this. So my question is- is a *double* angled stylus and blade actually required to cut from depth keys? I would assume cutting from a depth key would be the same as duplicating any other key. Is a single angle cutter sufficient?
I hope I explained what I mean well enough. Thanks to anyone who can help.
Oh, these are small duplicators, if it matters. A code machine is beyond my budget, unfortunately.
Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Question about depth keys and duplicators

Postby Raymond » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:37 am

Recognizing that you have a very limited budget, I recommend considering the depth keys. There have been many posts about using depth keys. Some people hate the idea and just say to bite the bullet and invest in a code cutter. But, others use depth keys regularly. Once you have them made or purchased, use is cheap. You only have to get the sets you need as you need them. I personally have access to an ITL code cutter, a Framon, and an HPC Blitz. However I still carry and use depth keys for about 20 different brands. I have created some non-standard, special step, keys for specific customers on the ITL and made depth keys to match. With depth keys, you only need one machine and will not have to change cutter wheel and guide. Use of depth keys is definitely slower and will be a pain in the neck if you have a big masterkey job to do. If so, either get a code cutter or sub-contract code cutting of at least the file copy of all of your new change keys.

The answer to your question about double angle cutters (and guide) depends on your profiency and how often you need to create keys. A standard duplication cutter has one straight side. The guide is always an exact match in regard to shape. When using depth keys this straight side produces no ramp to allow the pins to ride up on some of the key cuts. A double angle cutter produces the ramp on both sides at the same time and is faster. My favorite solution is to make a "ramp file". Using a square or triangular file, grind and polish smooth one corner along the full length of the file. This corner can then be put into the cut with a straight ramp and you can file the angle. Because the corner is smooth it will not change the depth of the cut. This works great to smooth off the sharp points of new keys that are rough going in and out of the lock.

Other uses of depth keys are: as a key gauge, without having to use a micrometer. You can compare them to cut keys or gauge the pins directly in a lock for the code. If impressioning, duplicate a '0' or '1' on a blank and you have your perfect spacing. Some people cut to the next depth on the space where a mark shows and do not use a file.

Just a few thoughts on depth keys. You make the choice.
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Re: Question about depth keys and duplicators

Postby g_kinz » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:41 pm

i have a switch blitz and it is a awesome unit!! I say save up and get a all in one unit like it. you can switch from duplicator to code cutting in less than 10 seconds and vise versa. you may even find one used for a good price but about 2500 new
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