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Disk detainer idea

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Disk detainer idea

Postby Josh K » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:29 am

So one of the advantages of a disk detainer lock is that it has no moving parts. Nothing to jam or really wear out.

What if you took a disk detainer lock and put lever lock style springs on it? Forcing all the disks back to the "0" position after they were released. In order to "pick" this lock you'd have to construct a tool that could rotate every disk and then lock it in place, fighting the reverse tension applied by the springs.
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Re: Disk detainer idea

Postby mh » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:31 am

Josh K wrote:So one of the advantages of a disk detainer lock is that it has no moving parts.


Well... the rotating disks, I guess ;)

Also, in many designs, tensioning the sidebar would actually hold the disks, either trough friction, or in a true or false gate.

But I also think that rotating disk tumbler locks are a very good basis for a secure design.

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Re: Disk detainer idea

Postby Josh K » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:37 am

Change that to no tensioned parts. :wink:

So now I have to figure out how to design a sidebar that doesn't place tension on the individual wheels. Awesome. :D
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Re: Disk detainer idea

Postby mh » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:43 am

Josh K wrote:So now I have to figure out how to design a sidebar that doesn't place tension on the individual wheels. Awesome. :D


E.g. spring loaded to the inside like this half-moon-dimple-key-lock
http://blog.tresoroeffnung.de/2010/01/1 ... able-lock/ (the second lock in the post)

Or this: http://www.google.de/patents/about?id=f ... s_maxy_is=

With such design, tensioning will block the sidebar and not push it against the tumblers.

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Re: Disk detainer idea

Postby Josh K » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:49 am

mh wrote:
Josh K wrote:So now I have to figure out how to design a sidebar that doesn't place tension on the individual wheels. Awesome. :D


E.g. spring loaded to the inside like this half-moon-dimple-key-lock
http://blog.tresoroeffnung.de/2010/01/1 ... able-lock/ (the second lock in the post)

Or this: http://www.google.de/patents/about?id=f ... s_maxy_is=

With such design, tensioning will block the sidebar and not push it against the tumblers.

Cheers
mh


Beautiful, I love it! :D

There goes my other idea of having a lock that when tensioned blocked the pins from binding. Actually this is the opposite, but probably more effective.

Thanks mh, I love learning new things.
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Re: Disk detainer idea

Postby Rickthepick » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:59 pm

seems like a good idea to me :idea:
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Re: Disk detainer idea

Postby mr2nice » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:43 pm

looks like a good idea see this through cheers to you
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