Kwickset SmartKey: How to Pick

[lockedin]

I've never ran into a home lockout situation with these locks YET but the first thing I would inform the customer about these locks if I get such a call is how easy it is to force open and break these locks and that their front door security has been reduced by 50% from their previous locks and anyone that has access to the internet can go online to find the "how-to's" to break in their homes.

50%? Really? Bump keys and locks picks for the original Kwiksets are all over the internet, methods for breaking into Kwikset smartkeys are not. In fact the standard Kwikset deadbolt and the Master no. 3 are the #1 recommended beginner practice locks on this site, and you want people to regress?

sorry Smile I'm a bit of a smartkey fanboi at the moment Razz

We're in the same boat until some fatal flaw or weakness is proven in this lock. Kwikset Smartkey for the win.

[fsdhy]

At that point I'll sell them a better lock and after getting the OK from the customer I'll force open the lock, remove and install a better lock like a Schlage, make more money and do the customer a huge favor.

You have to be kidding me. They aren't SLIGHTLY better NDE protection. There's a friggin' reason you have to force open the lock. And as far as finding info online about breaking into their house "nudge nudge wink wink" the proliferation of bump information, which this lock is 100% resistant to, is much easier to find than DE tactics to force the smartkey.

And being that smartkey ends up in residential situations to begin with there's something worth keeping in mind - glass has a DE flaw too.

32 key try out set. 'nough said?

[Schuyler]

No, because 32 keys, even if the average entry is half of that (probability) != SC1 bump key.

'nough said?

[fsdhy]

No, because 32 keys, even if the average entry is half of that (probability) != SC1 bump key.

'nough said?

No. Bumping is not as easy as putting a key in a lock. You can buy bump keys online, but you still have to practice and make them work. You can buy the try out set online, and there is no learning factor.

Hence the reason I said SLIGHTLY. Sorry, I'm not gonna say a lock is MILES ahead of its competitors in NDE protection if it can be bypassed by a monkey with a 32 key try out set.

Maybe I'm just not as easy to impress? Let's see what "v2" has to offer before we start gargling with Kwikset's semen, shall we?

[Schuyler]

Bumping, it's easy. Shockingly easy. I don't know. To be fair, I was shown how to bump by people who bump regularly, but I and everyone I know IRL have found it to be stupifyingly easy. With a key and the back of a screwdriver, you can get into far too much. I literally don't know a person in the real world who has not been successful within a few taps on the first lock they've tried. In fact, it took me longer than any of my friends, and it was still a lot faster than trying 12 different keys would have been.

I'm betting this won't resolve, as I think it's simply a difference of opinion, however, I'll never insinuate that you are gurgling the semen of, well, anyone, really.

[Schuyler]

Additionally, you don't have to buy anything at all to have a bump key.

[fsdhy]

Granted, it's easy. But not as easy as a try out set, is all I'm saying. Granted, they are bump-resistant and pick-resistant.

I guess maybe it's because you are looking at them strictly from a security standpoint, and I am looking at them from a security standpoint AND a reliability standpoint... And they really don't impress me. About 6 months ago, I had 4 come in in one day with bent wafers. Maybe it's our winters? I don't know.

They just don't impress me, sorry.

I didn't mean to imply YOU were.... a Kwikset fanboy. I just meant I don't think they have really hit the nail on the head as far as an all-around perfect residential lockset quite yet.

[fsdhy]

Well if you've got the knowledge to make a bump key from a blank, you've also got the knowledge to make the try out set from scratch... as long as you've got the bitting. Which I assume is out there...

[Schuyler]

I just meant I don't think they have really hit the nail on the head as far as an all-around perfect residential lockset quite yet.

I don't even disagree with you on that one

[lockedin]

32 key try out set. 'nough said?

Try-out set?! I missed the boat on this one. Please tell me more. Maybe I'll get off my high-horse on defending Smartkey Maybe.

[Jaakko]

32 key try out set. 'nough said?

Try-out set?! I missed the boat on this one. Please tell me more. Maybe I'll get off my high-horse on defending Smartkey Maybe.

Yes, a try-out set, but works as a semi-DE method.

[Brianpojo56]

It uses the same spaces and depths as the orginal 5-pin kwikset. 6 depths (1-6) and 5 spaces.

[Brianpojo56]

Sorry for the double post but I just wanted to share this story about the Smartkey. When it first came out, I was still working at a regular lock-shop (automotive, residential commercial and in shop stuff) A guy actually brought a smartkey cylinder to us and my boss charged him the normal price to have it rekeyed. It was pretty funny, my boss was an older lady and had no idea that kwikset came out with this thing, and I got back to the shop and she was sitting on the bench with the plug out and the follower in the housing with this puzzled look on her face. And she lost the little spacer that goes behind the e-clip.

[Lauren]

After reading all the post about the smartkey design, many of us now know that the 32 tryout keys and picking are methods of entry for this lock.

I will tell you all, that these methods are time consuming and uncertain.

I can accurately probe out the Kw1 cylinders in less than 15 minutes and make a key from code. I've perfected my tools with the greatest of percision. Anyone could do it. It's fast and user friendly. Private message me if you want more info.

[jgor]

Private message me if you want more info.

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