Kwikset Smart Key Picked!

[Wolf2486]

Sorry to revive this old topic, but I was wondering if anyone was seeing some of the comments I'm having to respond to with the video I put up. Interesting debate. Curious what some of your guy's opinions are.

[datagram]

Sorry to revive this old topic, but I was wondering if anyone was seeing some of the comments I'm having to respond to with the video I put up. Interesting debate. Curious what some of your guy's opinions are.

I leave you with a quote from A.C. Hobbs' book "Locks and Safes: The Construction of Locks" from 1853:

A commercial, and in some respects a social doubt has been started within the last year or two, whether or not it is right to discuss so openly the security or insecurity of locks. Many well-meaning persons suppose that the discussion respecting the means for baffling the supposed safety of locks offers a premium for dishonesty, by showing others how to be dishonest. This is a fallacy. Rogues are very keen in their profession, and know already much more than we can teach them respecting their several kinds of roguery.

Rogues knew a good deal about lock-picking long before locksmiths discussed it among themselves, as they have lately done. If a lock, let it have been made in whatever country, or by whatever maker, is not so inviolable as it has hitherto been deemed to be, surely it is to the interest of honest persons to know this fact, because the dishonest are tolerably certain to apply the knowledge practically; and the spread of the knowledge is necessary to give fair play to those who might suffer by ignorance.

dg

[Wolf2486]

Thanks for the quote. I love it. My thoughts exactly!

[jimb]

Sorry to revive this old topic, but I was wondering if anyone was seeing some of the comments I'm having to respond to with the video I put up. Interesting debate. Curious what some of your guy's opinions are.

Don't be surprised if YouTube deletes the video and suspends your account. That's what happened to me and I never gave any verbal instructions on anything I picked, bumped or bypassed, I just showed it being done.

[ToolyMcgee]

I just had to revive this thread and voice my thanks Wolf2486. Today I picked a medeco 6 pin mortice in front of a locksmith. Just so happens I drug it with me for some brushing up. I have a hundred hours of practicing on it at least, and it's really just a magic trick with the lock at this point. Not so much skill. He declared Medeco unpickable, and I couldn't resist the opportunity to gloat. Less than 10 minutes, and it turned, he inspected it in disbelief. Then we started talking serious about tools, locks, and did some sfic picking. Very cool. I was busting my arm patting myself on the back. That is until he handed me one of these, and never having picked one I had no idea what I was doing. Even so I would have been VERY embarrassed to fail on a Kwikset at this point. I remembered seeing your vid and modded one of my picks quick. Whether it allowed me the very light tension required, special tension, or I just got lucky, it definately gave me extra confidence and I got it in under 20 mins with a hook. No raking. Thank you for the vid man. It really helped me out in what could have been a soul crushing defeat. I don't know what's up with the youtube comments. 5*'s for real.

-ToolyMcgee

[FarmerFreak]

Just reading through this. And um,.... ....correct me if I am wrong. But it seems to me that in doing this method of picking. You are in fact damaging the lock.

There is a small black plastic piece that is on the slider. And it's sole purpose is to prevent the slider from sliding in unless the cylinder is turned. So wouldn't you be crushing that piece in order to get this method to work? Which would explain why you need a lot of force to get this to work. Picking without damaging should require no more than fines.

But I don't think that the lock would stop working after the plastic piece has been crushed. And it should only be really difficult to pick the first time. But after that, it should get progressively easier.

[brosskgm]

I have a crazy, dumb question. I've started to notice an increase of people locking them selves out of their smart key lock.
I have the tumbler reset and it works fine, but I have also be asked lately to re-key them for people. Ok, no problem there
until I was told they use a different Kwikset key.

The question, How do you tell the difference between a Smart key and a regular Kwikset key used for re-keying?

I can't tell the difference. The ones sent to me that are suppose to be Kwikset smart key doesn't have any different markings or cuts than the regular Kwikset keys I use now for re-keying.

Thanks
Bob

[scriptguru]

As I know, smartkey-compatible keys are slightly slimmer and they work on both smartkey and regular locks.
The blanks that key coping guys usually have are really looking slightly different (different key bow), but work exactly the same. I think these people meant that their key just looked different.

[brosskgm]

Not key blanks. I have kwikset factory keys already cut. But with trying to understand the smart key system I have been told the two keys are different. The cost is higher for the smart key factory than it is for the kwikset factory regular keys I get for re-keying.

I just can't see what the difference is between the two.

Thanks for your reply.

[Eyes_Only]

Not key blanks. I have kwikset factory keys already cut. But with trying to understand the smart key system I have been told the two keys are different. The cost is higher for the smart key factory than it is for the kwikset factory regular keys I get for re-keying.

I just can't see what the difference is between the two.

Thanks for your reply.

There is no difference between the keys used on the old kwiksets and the new SmartKey locks. You might be thinking of the Schlage SecureKey.

[midflorida]

While strictly speaking there is no different between the kwikset smartkey keys and normal kwikset lock keys, it should be noted that keys with key cuts of 7 and more should not be used in smarkey locks, since they will stop working and jam up

[lockjock50]

I dont feel the kwickset is very secure. But i have had trouble picking them. I live in a small town. Most of my work is in the next county over. 90% of the locks people use are the kwickset or those cheap $8 locks from walmart. Mountain security and brinks. Its like i killed someone if i advise a customer to replace a lock for a more secure one. They just remind me that they are not scared of an intruder. This is the land of shotguns and pitbulls.

[lockjock50]

Ooops, posted before my point ....
I have had several calls to a home where someone has picked a smartkey lock and danaged it. Or they tried to rekey it and messed it up. U dont see them that often anymore

[lockjock50]

I have never attempted to pick one of these. Im going to have to dig one out in the morning.
I did figure out one day how to rekey them without the existing key....since i was told it couldnt be done. I will get the picking down hopefully quickly. Thanks for the video

[Capt_Tom]

Picking them for fun is part of the participants on this site are all about and look forward to.... but these locks need to be disclosed to the public everytime a locksmith sees one. They are not vunerable from picking... they are vunerable from [edited to remove bypass info, please do not give instructions on bypass or destructive entry methods on lp101 except in the advanced forum] . They buy a new lock.