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AVA tension tool problem

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AVA tension tool problem

Postby zeepia » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:14 pm

Hi,

I have these different AVA cabinet file locks and been playing with them for a while now. So far with no success :oops:

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This one is with sealed frontplate so it won´t turn as you can see. Tension must then be applied from the bottom of the lock. I haven´t done tw for this yet, maybe next week...

Have you any good suggestions for it? If I grind down one key and leave only the tip as it is I must make the lever very thin allowing the lockpick to enter the keyhole. And when I must pick both sides of that lock, should the tw lever be in the middle or either corner? Which way it hinders least?
Perhaps I dont waste any key in making that tw, just take the measures...
Wizer, have you made yourself a special tool for these?

Here is two different ones, these work with normal tw tools:

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This is pretty old one, when you put tension on it the frontplate rotates nearly 45 degrees freely. (They don´t have any springs anyway)

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This is the newest of these three. There is a bunch of different key forms for AVA. Some are flat from other side so even with same bittings they don´t match other locks.

When I continue trying these PITA locks with half diamond, how sharp should it be? I mean, half ball vs. half diamond? Or is the hook even better? Some bittings in the key are quite narrow, so I think the half ball style is out of question.

And I think when you try to only rake these open you have to continue until all the brass have come out of the lock :wink:
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Re: AVA tension tool problem

Postby Wizer » Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:45 pm

Moi!
Abloy Avas are not that hard to pick unless you have to tension them from the bottom. The tensioner, no matter what its like, takes some room and makes it harder to move your pick in the keyway.
I have used an L - shaped pianowire and a filed wardedlock pick for bottom tension.

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Here are some posts about Ava:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=51152
and allso:
http://www.keypicking.com/viewtopic.php ... 351#p46351

Some videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmXrcN-4 ... ture=g-upl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbK1J4RB ... ture=g-upl

...and an article by Han Fey:
http://toool.nl/images/7/72/Abloypart4.pdf

Enjoy!
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Re: AVA tension tool problem

Postby zeepia » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Moi and thanks for the instant reply!
(searching for the right materials to do tension tools of my own...) :D

And I know now what I do this afternoon, you can spend mid summer fest also picking!
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Re: AVA tension tool problem

Postby zeepia » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:52 pm

:D

I got all three open for the first time! Ha, nice feeling :wink:

Wizer, kiitos. Tension tool I used was some 1,5mm metal rod bended and worked perfectly!
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