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What Is A Hard To Pick House Door Lock?

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What Is A Hard To Pick House Door Lock?

Postby danreller » Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:59 am

Hello, I'm new to this forum and new to lockpicking for that matter. I acquired a set of SouthOrd picks and was surprised at how easily I was able to open my File Drawer lock, Keyed Black and Decker Padlock, and finally my Kwikset House Door Lock. It took me a little while to figure out what I was doing wrong with Kwikset lock. I could get the plug to turn, but, try as I did I could not get the latch to move. Well, today I figured out I was turning it in the wrong direction. Now I can pick my house door lock in under a minute and many times within seconds. Having discovered how easily the lock is compromised I am wondering what lock you folks could recommend that would be more secure? What lock do you have on your exterior doors?
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Re: What Is A Hard To Pick House Door Lock?

Postby CitySpider » Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:41 am

I'd recommend an upper-end Schlage.
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Postby danreller » Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:08 am

I also noted that Kwikset also offers an upper-end lockset. It has 6 pins with un-pickable pins. What makes pins un-pickable?
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Postby marso » Mon Jan 19, 2004 5:10 am

I have a cheap dead bolt and the like, easy to pick. I however have 3 locks (as i live in an appartment). You do have to consider having locks on windows, possibly screens, lighting, appropriate door, and all other aspects of security as I believe the lock being picked is a risk but not as high as you forgetting to lock it, leaving a window open, brick through window etc..
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Postby danreller » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:02 am

I've been picking for 2 days and I just picked my Chevy van door lock. I never imagined it was this easy.

Now going on vacation will never be the same. I've got to get me some "more secure locks". Why would the lock makers keep making locks that are so easily compromised?

Forceful entries are loud and will alert attention from neighbors. Leaving doors and windows unsecure is certainly possible. I've done it by mistake myself.

Are locks with two sets of pins harder to pick?
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Postby Chucklz » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:14 am

Kwickset "un-pickable pins" I'm laughing so hard, there are tears running down my face onto the keyboard. The general consensus of everyone who has ever had one in pieces is that a kwickpick lock is good for learning on, and makes an interesting paperweight. Please see this thread for more information about kwickset and how to make your door more secure. viewtopic.php?t=1498

The TNL article is very informative. Although, i bet you could get similar results with the slightly cheaper Schlage B260 Deadbolt.
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Postby Ryzom » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:32 am

I saw the kwikset un pickable thing and just kind of stopped.... Actually that is false advertisement. You could buy one and pick it and show them and maybe file a law suit.....

Kwikset is most definatly not unpickable.
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Postby danreller » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:49 am

Chucklz, You made me cry laughing at your laughing. Thanks for the lead to that other post. You know the funny thing is I had Schlage locks in the house originally when we bought the house and one of the first things I did after moving in was to change the locks on the doors. I went down to the local Lowe's and bought the Kwikset locks. I had no idea.

I suppose the Kwiksets are so numerous because they are cheap and the local builders install them when they build a home. Then if the homeowner ever wanted to change them he would buy the same kind that was in the door.
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Postby Chucklz » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:55 am

At least you changed your locks, most people never bother.
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Postby Varjeal » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:38 am

True enough, but I have an interesting little math problem for you all.

5 pin chambers in a standard Kwikset lock right? Now..10 depths or 9 or whatever/chamber. (Let's ignore MACS and some other rules for a second.) How many possible combinations is that? 10 to the 5th? Now...how many Kwikset locks have been bought/sold/replaced? Now factor in the MACS rules. Wouldn't logic tell you there can be only so many combinations for a Kwikset lock (or any other brand for that matter) before they would have to repeat themselves???

Just some food for thought. 8)
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Postby Varjeal » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:40 am

Now going on vacation will never be the same. I've got to get me some "more secure locks". Why would the lock makers keep making locks that are so easily compromised?


Because the average citizen has an "acceptable level of security" and the fact is, they/we/I are not willing to pay for the highest security locks available.
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Postby Chucklz » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:47 am

Varjeal- Ive seen Kwikset depths 1-7 on the stuff you can get from the homestore, and once while helping setup a MasterKey system saw a single 8 cut. And before you even consider "repeats" , think of how many housing developments are built with Kwiksets that have been masterkeyed/construction keyed. Then how many homeowners have taken the time to rekey, including top pins... to make sure that all master pins have been removed, or how many homeowners have been given the construction key to their house, and not the breakout/operating key.
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Postby Varjeal » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:49 am

Amazing, isn't it? Not even mentioning how many locks have keyways that will interchange with one another. ie. a kwikset key will fit into a weiser lock, etc.
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Postby Chucklz » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:03 am

That does allow you to make everything simple..... IF this key fits.... dont by that garbage.
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Best types of locks for home?

Postby sleazytouch » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:27 pm

After seeing how easy the Kwikset locks were to penetrate, I upgraded to Schlage and Yale (so I'd have 2 types to practice on). I've found both of these more than adequate to stop most lock picks, but maybe not a strong kick.. hehe
Always ready to tickle a hole..
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