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product called pickbuster

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product called pickbuster

Postby kspec » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:00 pm

anyone heard of it and does it actually work, and how does it work? i found a link but it just says it works. it doesnt explain how.

http://guildfordlocks.com/toolspickbuster.htm

sorry i dont remember how to make the link clickable :(
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Postby pip » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:08 pm

the only thing i can think of is that it
inserts something into the keyway
that gums up the pins

but then if one pin is lifted too high
it will not work with the actual key

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Postby rodger » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:12 pm

A quick google search of "pickbuster" provides links that describe it as a "high tack fluid".

I think pip is right in guessing that it probably gums up the pins.
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Postby digital_blue » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:14 pm

It's been discussed on this site several times, though I don't know if anyone has actually bought it to test it. Basically, it seems to me it's a thick oil-like substance that makes the pins move slower in the lock, thus making bumping difficult (impossible?).

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Postby kspec » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:31 pm

thanks for the feedback, glad to be back on the forums again :)
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Postby horsefeathers » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:35 pm

If a pin is lifted too high (say 4th pin for example) how do you get it down again? Could this overlift problem be caused by wrong key accidentally being inserted? Or upon retracting the right key, whereby the highest point on the key raises all the pins it connects with to the wrong height as it is removed from the lock.

I think this is a product that does what it says in slowing down pins. But i dont think it has been tested for long term effects when in a lock exposed to weather/grit etc. Any danger of a lockie putting this product in a customer's lock in good faith, because either he or the customer thinks it is a good idea, only to get a 'warranty' call-back some months later as lock gummed up with grit or the right key no longer works?

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Postby taylorgdl » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:19 pm

ICL have been testing this product, as have several other independant locksmiths. So far, it seems to do exactly what it says on the tin.

For those in doubt, you can take an easily bumped lock to the ICL open day (see link) and try it for yourself. You can then run your own tests for a while, and see what you think.

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Postby Mark A » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:08 pm

Horsefeathers, Others have expressed the same or similar concerns of the log term effects and exposure to air borne particles and the what effect this will have.
The only thing we really have to go by is the fact that ERA have tested Pickbuster and stated that it has no detrimental effects on their cylinders and its usage will not effect the guarantee they give.
Difficult to call because if a cylinder that had been treated with Pickbuster failed due to picking up some plaster dust during some home improvements, how would we know whether it has failed due to the Plaster Dust, the Pickbuster, or a combination of both?

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Postby Mark A » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:17 pm

Actually I dont think anyone has expressed any concerns about the LOG term effects, but some have about the LONG term effects. :lol: :lol:

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Postby lockey1963 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:37 pm

as gordon says, take some easily bumpable locks along to the ICL day, speak to pickbuster manufacturers yourself, ask the specific questions you want to ask and test it for yourself, i would wager that there will be free samples given away on the day, and who better to ask the questions to than the guys who make it and have all the test results, otherwise we can only speculate.

i use the stuff and put a free squirt in every cylinder i sell, have done for past 6 months with no call backs or problems, i buy the aerosoles, so it costs me about 25 pence an application, to sell a bump resistent budget cylinder, " bump resistent" not bump proof.
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Postby horsefeathers » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:49 pm

I didnt know it came in aerosols. I have only seen it on ebay in what looked like sachets.

Where do you get the aerosol form from as I may try one?

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Postby lockey1963 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:11 pm

The aerosoles are on sale through the ICL Members individually and direct from almore Ltd in quantities of 6 cans minimum order, they are around £49 a can.

www.theinstituteofcertifiedlocksmiths.org
www.rapidlocksmith.com
www.guildfordlocks.com

and from almore ltd in bulk.

The aerosole is easier to apply as a short 1/2 second burst is all it takes to treat a lock
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Postby nekret » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:25 am

Has anyone tested what happens when locks treated with pickbuster are filled with WD-40 or the like? Seems it would flush it out and defeat the whole point of having it at all if a well intentioned homeowner thought they could get their lock operating a bit smoother.

Note: I realize that WD-40 shouldn't be used on locks but it seems that most people who don't deal with locks have no clue about graphite, Tri-Flow, etc.
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Postby taylorgdl » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:06 am

Its apparently very hard to flush this stuff out.

WD40 and similar substances don't even touch it.
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Postby JackNco » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:15 am

Pickbuster will apparently be making an appearance at an ICL event in the UK. apparently they IS a way to remove it that they will be making avalible but it will be a very controlled thing avalible to locksmiths only. well thats what ive herd anyway.

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