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Padlock that can not be picked?

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Padlock that can not be picked?

Postby beaowolf » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:08 pm

I need a padlock that can not be picked. Someone has gotten through my mul-t-lock with the interactive key, and medeco lock (though with the medeco they could have gotten a duplicate key-from a crooked dealer). What about the new abus plus or abus plus-x, meroni, or abloy. Any of these unpickable? I really need one to get my work done. All help appreciated.
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Postby bushd » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:11 pm

Any lock can be picked, there is only one enviroment where an unpickable lock could be produced and used: a clean room. IE, somewhere where dirt could not get inside the lock. Locks are pickable because they are not perfect, and they are not perfect so the things like a spec of dirt will not make it not work anymore. There is a list on this forum, or atleast a link to one, where they rate locks and hardness to pick. I will try to find it, some Japanese link I think, but I am quite sure any of the top level locks on that list will cost you some currency. It would just be cheaper to setup a camera, or two.
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Postby bushd » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:21 pm

http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/LOCKPI ... seclox.txt

I read over a little bit, some may be padlocks. I just searched for pad.
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Postby Chucklz » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:23 pm

What are you protecting that Mul-T-Lock and Medeco aren't sufficient? How much are you willing to pay? Are you missing the obvious? That is, ignore the lock for the moment, but look at your doors, frames, hasps, windows etc.

Not trying to be picky, but there are very very few people with the proper tools to do an NDE on those locks, which leads me to beleive you may have another security weakness to address first.
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Postby plot » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:23 pm

i just ordered two mul-t-locks :(

anyways, i think you have other problems here... it's gonna take someone awhile to pick those locks, so i'm thinking you've either got the best lockpicker in the world after what you got -- in which case, just give up and leave the thing unlocked -- or he's getting in some other way. backdoor has a kwikset on it doesn't it? ;)
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Postby CitySpider » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:32 pm

bushd wrote:Any lock can be picked, there is only one enviroment where an unpickable lock could be produced and used: a clean room.


Your tolerances would still need to be absolutely _perfect_, something which I'm pretty sure is currently impsosible.

As for beaowolf (which is a very interesting way to spell it), if you've got someone who can get through a Medeco, you're screwed. Move. I'm betting that they're finding another way to get through the door, though. Picking the lock is almost never the easiest route.
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Postby CitySpider » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:34 pm

Door, lid, safe, whatever. I need an edit button.
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It is an under the counter fridge, and I have Master hasps

Postby beaowolf » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:36 pm

The fridge has a hasp/lock on each side of the door to prevent someone from taking the door off the hinge. I am now looking at cyberlocks, since they can not be picked! Unless you disagree.
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Postby plot » Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:14 pm

did you look at the back of the fridge?
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Postby technik » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:04 pm

my only answer to this would to buy either a few locks and latches (for a tool chest) or a few lengths of chain and a few good padlocks (for a motorbike at home) I have to fill the spaces as your posts dont give us enough information. The more locks you put on, the longer and more closer it is to "impossible" the security becomes. Also, the part about the medeco getting defeated, i have heard that there is only very few known people that can pick a medeco consistently. You probably do have a crooked dealer, so i would buy a different company, and get a few of them. I agree with what City Spider has to say:

if you've got someone who can get through a Medeco, you're screwed. Move. I'm betting that they're finding another way to get through the door, though. Picking the lock is almost never the easiest route.


i do think that there must be another way of bypassing or breaking in. Take a look around, and try to figure it out Unless you can pay for a ticket for me to get to your house, your gunna have to do it for your self, or give us more information.
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Postby Chucklz » Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:41 pm

Check out the S&G high security locks with their high security hasps. Definately going to set you back more than the cost of the fridge, but its some strong security, and they are honest dealers.
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frige security

Postby beaowolf » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:13 pm

Have looked at the small under the counter fridge and their is no way to enter it from the back/bottom/top/sides. Only through the front door which has a Master hasp on both sides (to protect the hinge), the hasp covers the screws and cannot be pulled away due to the tight fit of the lock shackel. Live in the greater D.C. area and so their may be some highly skilled pickers around. The mul-t-lock key was always in my possesion, and the spare with the key code card is in a safe deposit box. The medeco problem may have been due to a crooked employee at the dealer. Rekeyed the medeco locks once and got nervous and went to the mul-t-locks because the dealer does not have a key code.
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Postby technik » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:52 pm

crap, whats so important that you put in a fridge, and need a medeco to protect it?

You like your money chilled, or you just love your donuts? :D
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Postby Chucklz » Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:56 pm

Try upgrading the hasps. Also, this seems like a no brainer... but when the hasp is locked, are there any exposed screws that could be unscrewed and opened? There shouldn't be, but its always best to check just in case.
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Re: It is an under the counter fridge, and I have Master has

Postby CitySpider » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:11 am

beaowolf wrote:The fridge has a hasp/lock on each side of the door to prevent someone from taking the door off the hinge. I am now looking at cyberlocks, since they can not be picked! Unless you disagree.


Of course I disagree. You might find a lock that I can't pick, but you ARE NOT going to find a lock that can't be picked. Period.

And remember that if people want in enough, they're just going to pick up the fridge and take it with them.
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