How to open these two?

[skan]

Hello

I've finally got my Southoord slim picks. They look nice.
I'd like to practise opening some locks I own.
I've tried with two very simple locks but I wasn't able to open them.

The first one is from my old mailbox. It looks like a simple wafer tumbler.

The problem is that I'm not able to move anything within the lock (any wafer). I've tried with medium pressure. I'm afraid of breaking the picks if I use too much force.


The second one is my house's back door lock (from inside).


It looks like a very simple pin tumbler. Notice that it's reversed.
The problem for me is that the keypath section is very twisted. If I try to introduce the pick at A I can not reach the internals of the lock.
I can only introduce the pick up to a proper depth if I start at B, but then I cannot twist it to reach A.

How should I proceede?

regards

[clearmoon247]

As far as the second lock is concerned, i would greatly advise against it, as you shouldn't pick a lock in use. It does have an interesting keyway and i would recommend, if you want to pick that lock, to either get a second one or replace that lock, so if it breaks/jams, you won't be out of luck with that door.

[raimundo]

clearly european locks,
the keyway is similiar to yale 999 or Abus type,
this is generally a familiar keyway and the difficulties you are having are what that keyway is designed to give you.
You are going to need a slim halfdiamond type pick

first insert the tension blade and make sure its not digging into the cylinder wall at the top (euro top) and put the slim half diamond
in just below it. the half diamond front slope will all you to push pins down easily and maneuver in that keyway
looking at the key it won't be necessary to push them down very much, you could probably set a number of pins just inserting the pick to the back end of the lock

your mail box lock looks ok, but if you cant get anything to move, does the key work? You are probably using way too much tension

to paraphrase a computer saying Pic Nic or problem in chair not in computer, or in this case the lock

[skan]

Hi
thanks

I'd like to delete the picture of the key, I've been advised to do so. But I can't find any "modify" or "edit" button

[cledry]

I can't read the bitting on the key so you should be OK.