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Rotation before I start picking?

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Rotation before I start picking?

Postby valeguy » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:07 am

I have a few locks that rotate a couple of degrees when I put them under tension before I even start picking. They're well used locks that have been out in the elements a bit so I'm guessing that's got to do with it. The problem is, I'm not sure what tension to put on these locks. When I apply a tension the plug rotates, then when I try the pins I have trouble setting them and I can't find one that's binding significantly. They're pretty cheap locks and I managed to pick the one by applying tension the other way (which doesn't cause the plug to rotate with tension alone), and then I just used a plug spinner.

Has anyone else encountered this type of thing, and if so what's going on with this initial plug rotation?
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Re: Rotation before I start picking?

Postby gibson » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:55 am

plugs can get worn from being outside, lack of lubrication, and just age. sometimes they have been rekeyed several times, with reamed out chambers, or have had the tops of the plugs filed when someone tried to use oversized top pins. if there is excess space between the lug and the cylinder, it will be hard to get pins to set. try varying the way you apply apply tension, top, bottom, etc. once in a while that will do the trick. on old, worn cylinders you might need to use a rigid tensor to get better control. i'd take the cylinder apart examine it to see if the plug has been worked over. if it's all you have at the moment to practice on, give them a good cleaning with a solvent to get rid of all the built up graphite that might be preventing you from feeling when a pin sets. most locks will pick easier in one direction or the other, depending upon the binding sequence. it's good practice for 'real world' situations to try to pick it in either direction, an well a more of a challenge.
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Re: Rotation before I start picking?

Postby valeguy » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:32 pm

I tried top tension and it definitely helped, pins are setting so now we're getting somewhere, Thanks for the advice :)
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Re: Rotation before I start picking?

Postby Josh66 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:25 pm

I have some brand new locks that rotate like that, so I don't think it's necessarily from being outside or anything. It could just be how it's made.

But yeah, it does make it kind of a pain. For me anyway.
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Re: Rotation before I start picking?

Postby soundwave5150 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:02 pm

Good tips there, might help me with my shed padlock :P
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