Are these picks for wafer tumbler, or disc tumbler locks?

[The Lock Artist]

http://www.lockpickshop.com/DSS-4.html
at this website it clearly says that they are for disc tumbler locks in the description, however the comment at the bottom says that it is for wafer tumblers. At the southord website it also says that they are for disc tumblers, but http://www.lockpickersmall.com/dss-4.html says that they are for wafer tumblers. I know that it is common to incorrectly swap the terms around (even "the visual guide to lock picking" does it), but which lock are they for?

[Legion303]

Those would be for wafer locks.

-steve

[The Lock Artist]

Thanks, you'd think that a locksmith tool company would know their locks a little better.

One last question, with these particular picks, do they work just like auto jigglers where you apply the torque with the pick, or do you use one of those round tension tools like this http://www.lockpicks.com/roundspringloa ... hdial.aspx
Sorry, I'm a little new to this

[Solomon]

Thanks, you'd think that a locksmith tool company would know their locks a little better.

Disc tumbler is just an older name for em, they can be called either. Although yeah, wafer is defnitely the more common name for em so it'd make more sense to call them by that name. With the surge in popularity of disc detainer locks I can see why it'd be confusing, although those picks are clearly not designed for any kind of rotating disc mechanism.

One last question, with these particular picks, do they work just like auto jigglers where you apply the torque with the pick, or do you use one of those round tension tools like this http://www.lockpicks.com/roundspringloa ... hdial.aspx
Sorry, I'm a little new to this

It's all good man, everybody was new once. I asked some really stupid stuff when I first started, and I wouldn't say this is a dumb question at all.

Those picks work like jigglers, but you could probably insert a small tension wrench into the middle and use a raking motion if you liked. You might be able to use one of the circular tools aswell but that'd be a tad bit overkill for a wafer lock.

[The Lock Artist]

Disc tumbler is just an older name for em, they can be called either.

I think that this is what confused me, because wikipedia says:

The wafer tumbler lock is often incorrectly referred to as a disc tumbler lock, which uses an entirely different mechanism.

this is a quote from the picks description on lockpickshop:

disc tumbler lock is a lock composed of slotted rotating detainer discs......unlike a wafer tumbler lock or a pin tumbler lock, this mechanism does not use springs. From a security standpoint, the disc tumbler lock cannot be bumped

I know that a wafer lock has springs, and since this is made for WAFER locks and not disc detainer locks, so lockpickshop has an incorrect/misleading description?

[The Lock Artist]

Sorry for the double post, but I just found that if you look at these other picks which lockpickshop calls wafer picks Here it even says

The wafer tumbler lock is often incorrectly referred to as a disc tumbler lock, which uses an entirely differently mechanism. If you need to pick a desc tumbler lock you'll need a set of double sided picks designed specifically for them.

and gives a link to the southord picks we have been talking about, which are also for wafer tumblers....
Sound like they definately have their descriptions mixed up to me....