Question about a bump key

[jrmartin.mig]

I have read a lot on the subject and know that most of you are not fans of this type of key but I have a couple of questions if someone would give me a couple of answers. I am a real estate agent who deals with a lot of bank foreclosures. A lot of the foreclosures that we work with we do not have the keys for and I get stuck with a bill to get someone out there so we can get the locks changed. Through the course of things I discovered bump keys and bought myself a set online, but have had no luck the last 2 days trying to get a lock open. The lock I am working on takes a KW1 key and I noticed that some sellers file down all of the points while some leave the last point higher than the rest. I was wondering if you could give me some input on the key I have and whether its the key or my not so slight touch. Thanks in advance for all your help.

Here are some pictures of the key that I have:




Thanks in advance for all your help.

John

[2octops]

Your key looks like the spacing is off....waaaaaay off.

Hire a locksmith and get reimbursed. We do these every week and have for many years. I've never heard of an agent that would not get reimbursed unless they were double dipping the finance company and charging them for changing the locks as well as the listing.

[minifhncc]

The locks may have anti-bump top pins or spool/mushroom pins in them, which would make bumping harder.

But yeah, you should hire a locksmith for that kind of stuff really.

[squelchtone]

Does the lock you are trying to bump have a small hole to the left of the keyway? If it does it is not an old Kwikset, it is a newer Kwikset Smart Key which cannot be bumped.

http://www.kwikset.com/smartsecurity/re ... ology.aspx

Kwikset used to be the joke of the lock picking community, but they stepped up their game with their new lock, it is both difficult to bump and difficult to pick compared to an original Kwikset from 10 years ago. Sure the bump suppliers still sell a SC1 Schlage, a KW1 Kwikset, and a
M1 Master, but that doesnt mean the keys will work to bump all locks open, and they are also not magical, it takes a good amount of practice and timing when bumping a lock. What are you using for a bump hammer? Are you just holding the key when about to hit it, or are you holding it and applying some rotation? If this is for your business, its honestly not worth you taking the time to learn party tricks, time is money.

keep a local mobile locksmith's business card handy,

Squelchtone

[cledry]

I have read a lot on the subject and know that most of you are not fans of this type of key but I have a couple of questions if someone would give me a couple of answers. I am a real estate agent who deals with a lot of bank foreclosures. A lot of the foreclosures that we work with we do not have the keys for and I get stuck with a bill to get someone out there so we can get the locks changed. Through the course of things I discovered bump keys and bought myself a set online, but have had no luck the last 2 days trying to get a lock open. The lock I am working on takes a KW1 key and I noticed that some sellers file down all of the points while some leave the last point higher than the rest. I was wondering if you could give me some input on the key I have and whether its the key or my not so slight touch. Thanks in advance for all your help.

Here are some pictures of the key that I have:




Thanks in advance for all your help.

John

You might consider settling on one locksmith for all your business and working out a set price. For example we contract with several in your trade and offer a set fee which includes service call, opening and rekeying. The price doesn't change if it is one lock or 12, nor if we have to replace a lock. On some jobs we lose on the deal and others we do better than our normal rate, but we rely on a volume and a good partnership to make it work. We can throw our least experienced technician on the job and save the more experienced people for the more complex jobs.

[Buzo]

Not to mention that bumping incorrectly could potentially destroy the lock. You would then have to replace the entire lock instead of getting them re-keyed by a locksmith. I would have to agree with the others on this one: contract with a local locksmith and have it done quickly and inexpensively (comparitavely speaking).

[Evan]

Your key looks like the spacing is off....waaaaaay off.

Hire a locksmith and get reimbursed. We do these every week and have for many years. I've never heard of an agent that would not get reimbursed unless they were double dipping the finance company and charging them for changing the locks as well as the listing.

+1 on the spacing being off,
add to that the cuts are nowhere near wide enough
for OEM Kwikset pins to seat in all but one of the
bittings on that key...
plus the depths of the bittings do not appear to
be equal, appearing to be somewhere slightly
deeper than a #7 depth...

+1 on the recommendation that the OP find
a locksmith to establish a business account
with...

~~ Evan

[Buzo]

I have read a lot on the subject and know that most of you are not fans of this type of key but I have a couple of questions if someone would give me a couple of answers. I am a real estate agent who deals with a lot of bank foreclosures. A lot of the foreclosures that we work with we do not have the keys for and I get stuck with a bill to get someone out there so we can get the locks changed. Through the course of things I discovered bump keys and bought myself a set online, but have had no luck the last 2 days trying to get a lock open. The lock I am working on takes a KW1 key and I noticed that some sellers file down all of the points while some leave the last point higher than the rest. I was wondering if you could give me some input on the key I have and whether its the key or my not so slight touch. Thanks in advance for all your help.

Thanks in advance for all your help.

John

My next question for you is: what did you plan to do with the locks once you got them open? Were you planning on recombinating them yourself? Or were you planning on using this method to get into these homes this way on a regular basis? I don't think it would be prudent to have potential clients watching you get into a house this way for obvious reasons. And come to think of it, why should we assist you in learning how to successfully bypass these locks when we can not confirm the legitimacy of the reasons you have provided? For all we know you could be someone trying to get into homes that you have no business getting into.in this case I think the best and only advice is to contact your local locksmith.

[globallockytoo]

thank you Buzo! This forum is for hobby lock picking. It is not in the business of providing people with instruction to pick locks "they dont own" or are "in use". If you are looking to bypass locksmith services, this forum is not for that.

[Buzo]

thank you Buzo! This forum is for hobby lock picking. It is not in the business of providing people with instruction to pick locks "they dont own" or are "in use". If you are looking to bypass locksmith services, this forum is not for that.

Anytime