issue picking a D and B roller door

[Squelchtone]

Are you not breaking the law in your country by breaking and entering without a warrant? I'm pretty sure a detective in the USA could not just pick a door on a building while looking for a missing person unless he had a warrant to search the premises.

Squelchtone

[mh]

Who designs such a sh***y lock?!

[globallockytoo]

Byrne & Davison are the original manufacturer of this lock. Each lock has the code number embossed on the tail bar, it is a direct code for that lock. There are two sets of top (driver pins). The key turns 180º in one direction to open and then opposite to lock. If you are only getting 90º turn, it usually means that the internal rods are bent. The 2 sets of driver pins allow for key insertion from both locked and unlocked positions, yet there is only one set of bottom pins. The key goes in both inside and outside. It is a double cylinder lock, hence probably why it is no longer made as it does not meet the International Building Code requirements for egress.

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to remove information that would have required this thread to be moved to the advanced forum]

Originally, there were about 8 different keyblanks for these doors. The keys are wide and as i said before, mirror image cuts on each side. the key will only insert one way into the profile. The barrel diameter is about 1". The barrel is usually die cast metal inserted in a brass cylinder housing (bible). The pin holes wear with regular use. The tail pieces (two legs connected to a cam) are screwed to the barrel by two flat blade cam screws.

[globallockytoo]

http://www.bnd.com.au/about-us/history/

[minifhncc]

Couldn't you just call a locksmith out? It would cost less than $100 (probably around $60-80)... and I believe you are able to get it back on tax...

[minifhncc]

Are you not breaking the law in your country by breaking and entering without a warrant?

I would imagine so.

I'm curious which part of Australia the OP is from...

[lunchb0x]

toolish, I am going to have to call BS on your story, I have been doing this job for over 10 years and many times been called by the police to open doors for the same reason that you have said, really, a missing person... I guess he is just going to have to stay missing for a couple more weeks till you get your picking skills up...... know what I mean??

I know locksmiths that have gone to work for the police so they can gain entry when needed and if they ever need help with something guess what, they don't go to a lock picking hobby site for advise.

If you really do need to gain access to this roller door for work call a locksmith as it is cheaper and will get you in there quicker.

[toolish]

toolish, I am going to have to call BS on your story, I have been doing this job for over 10 years and many times been called by the police to open doors for the same reason that you have said, really, a missing person... I guess he is just going to have to stay missing for a couple more weeks till you get your picking skills up...... know what I mean??

I know locksmiths that have gone to work for the police so they can gain entry when needed and if they ever need help with something guess what, they don't go to a lock picking hobby site for advise.

If you really do need to gain access to this roller door for work call a locksmith as it is cheaper and will get you in there quicker.

Mate it is a longer story which I explained in private to MBI who verified my employment, In short I have entry power, which will allow damage, but my supervisors dont want to allow damage at this stage.
And honestly I can guarantee it is at the bottom of the worries list for them, just on my case list till I get rid of it.
Yes we most likely will call out a locksmith or just get rescue to cut out a small hole to look into the garage.
If the guy is in there he is well and truly not happy, if he is out and about he is avoiding his house and the cops, as he has reason to stay away from us.

[Josh66]

Sorry for doubting you, toolish - but I hope you can understand why I did...

[toolish]

Honestly I understand the hesitation which is why I went to the effort of verifying who I was (although that doesnt seem to have mattered)
I joined the forum to try and get some help with a 2-3 pin lock, all I have got is a complex legal argument instead.
Legally I can do what I am doing, I can because there is more to the story, which I cant go posting on an online forum, due to privacy.
I know what I am doing legally, been doing this for long enough, What I dont know is how to get through this lock as I have not been doing it for long and it is not my occupation.
I just wanted some help on lock picking from a lock picking forum.
Sorry if i sound short, but all i have had is criticism that i dont know how to do my job for 3 pages and I must be making everything up. You would be a bit short if it happened to you

[Squelchtone]

Play nice everybody. toolish verified his story with MBI, I was away but also talked to him for a bit. He has the Australian version of what we in the US would normally accept as "probable cause / a warrant" (and no, dont reply to this post correcting what I just wrote, just roll with it) to search the property, if that includes picking instead of kicking in, then I'm not going to argue with him, and I'm glad he understands our reservations to a story which does sound unusual for what we normally encounter here, but he's been a really good sport about our initial questioning. The questioning can stop now.

I do think since he did pick it and it turned but didnt unlock the door, something may actually be wrong with the lock, in which case I do agree with lunchbox that a locksmith should be called out at this point, but I do think toolish has given it some good effort.

Now, everyone cool off for a minute, and enjoy this nice weekend please.

Squelchtone

PS, next step is locking the thread, and I'd rather not, so let's all try to be cool.

[toolish]

Unfortunately This will be a lock that I won't be able to pick.
The guy turned up and is now committed in a mental institute for a fair while.
So I dont have entry power anymore to go looking for him or play with his garage lock.
Still curious as to what was stopping the locking arms from retracting, Might get myself one of these locks since they are so difficult to pick (by me anyway).

[lunchb0x]

Something that I do at home and also recommend to customers is to either drill a hole in the end of the locking arm and put a small padlock through it ( or a pin) or what I do is lock my vice grips onto the end of the arm so there is no way possible for it to be retracted. It is possible that this is what was done so you would of had no chance in picking it open.

With the right tool most of these roller door locks can have the barrel removed easily, saves having to pick the lock

[toolish]

Thanks for the thought, originally i thought the lock might have been damaged, so i tested another door nearby and had the same issue.
I have a similar low security roller door lock I was looking at upgrading, but i cant lock it from the inside and use a pin/clamp/padlock on the arms. Any ideas on making it more secure from the outside? Other then just adding a second lock to it?

[globallockytoo]

Thanks for the thought, originally i thought the lock might have been damaged, so i tested another door nearby and had the same issue.
I have a similar low security roller door lock I was looking at upgrading, but i cant lock it from the inside and use a pin/clamp/padlock on the arms. Any ideas on making it more secure from the outside? Other then just adding a second lock to it?

I have done this to a few roller doors....but it involves securing from inside.