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by digital_blue » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:36 am
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by zeke79 » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:18 pm
Well, for some one who has literally gb's worth of lock photos, I decided to add one here. This is the winkhaus vs5 lock. Can you figure out why the actual face of the lock is recessed? I'll elaborate later in the post  .
First, this lock COULD be deemed as bump proof in the same category as schlage primus, scorpion CX5, etc that use a secondary locking system whether sidebar or inactive pins. IF you mill the profiles from the side of the key you eliminate this protection. IF you order from OUTSIDE your region online which is more feasible these days you can have a lock that is fairly secure for a minimal investment due to the sheer numbers of keyways available for this lock outside of the side profiles.
A pic of the plug face:
See how the inactive pins protrude into this area if the wrong profile key is inserted into the keyway. These passive locking pins are installed on both sides of the cylinder/plug:
A picture of a common top pin stack. You can see 2 standard pins and 2 inverted spools with 1 normal spool pin.
Here you can see all 8 passive profile pins in the lock sets. 4 passive pins are intalled in each side of the cylinder (Typical).
Pic of the plug with one side of the profile pins installed.
Pics of each side of the keys. Note the dimples on each side of the key blank:
Finally is a couple pics of the keyway:
Now, onto the recessed face of the lock. It is not only for asthetics, but for key strength. A very very small amount of key bending will transfer the turning force to the face of the plug and not the key blank itself. This greatly reduces the amount of broken keys you will see. A great idea on a neat lock  .
For the best book out there on high security locks and their operation, take a look at amazon.com for High-Security Mechanical Locks An Encyclopedic Reference. Written by our very own site member Greyman! A true 5 Star read!!
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by LockNewbie21 » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:54 pm
I miss my winkhaus  Loved that lock... those bearings jammed on me and i didn't even bump it
Well done though zeke great pics 
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by poky13 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:32 am
I bought these locks for my job boxes. They all are keyed the same.
I have not opened them yet only with a key, I have raked & bump keyed & and picked them. I know I'm in over my head, going back to some thing I can Pick. Here is pic of them broke down
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by poky13 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:42 am
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by selim » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:44 am
zeke79,
that's a great idea about added key strenth in the keyway with a recessed face,but I've learned this about Corbin Russwin cylinder's. X class key's,either they don't have a proper radius on the bottom of the blade,or they have a bottom shoulder which interferes with the face of the cylinder. X class Corbin Russwin cylinder's were made in the sixties,seventies (?) .Cylinder's,and key's are made a-lot different now,the recessed face on a Corbin Russwin X class cylinder is so today's key's can fit in it,the shoulder's won't interfear.
I had to do 22 cylinder's for a state park with an X class keyway,and had to do some extra home work for that one.Nothing is worse then, somone give's you an old key,then say's I'd like 22 cylinder's, that this key will work.
What do you think,I like the stronger key idea better though.
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by zeke79 » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:35 am
I like the idea of using a stronger key WITH the recessed face. There are too many people out there who think that if the lock isnt opening to just turn the key harder  . It is a great design though and I think the mechanics of it are often overlooked and it is written off as an asthetics addition to the lock that serves no real functionality but nothing could be further from the truth.
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by guest5999 » Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:22 am
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by mh » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:42 am
An Abloy Protec Padlock (PL330N) cutaway:
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by dieselducy » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:59 pm
dieselducy is a REAL live train engine!!
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by SnowyBoy » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:03 pm
What a load of old BiLocks!!!!
I'm probably 0 for 400 in looking for safes behind wall paintings
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by Jaakko » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:33 pm
This is a very quick 40 minute job on a milling machine, shows all the working components of the lock. I'm going to write about this to my blog some day, as I have lots of more pictures of this.
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by SnowyBoy » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:27 pm
Jaakko wrote:This is a very quick 40 minute job on a milling machine, shows all the working components of the lock. I'm going to write about this to my blog some day, as I have lots of more pictures of this.
I love the cut to expose the bearings! Would you mind much if I took this design on for my lock? I was originally just going to have a long slit cut in the front, but this shows lot more of what is going on.
What a load of old BiLocks!!!!
I'm probably 0 for 400 in looking for safes behind wall paintings
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