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Electric Scissors or Electric Pick

Tool recommendations, information on your favorite automatic and/or mechanical lockpicking devices for those with less skills, or looking to make their own.

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Electric Scissors or Electric Pick

Postby ju_ » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:13 pm

First Post so here goes nothing…..
Just a few things before I start.

Varjeal
Thanks for your help with sorting out my login. I received the electric scissors 15th November
and made the electric pick within 1-2 hours, I always keep my word so here is the design for
the conversion.

skold
Will try and use the right gram-mer and spelingg and pu"nctu!a'tion...,,, as to , the best..
of my ablility:; :D Although my english spelling is not that good.

Shrub
Congrats on the Bosch electric pick gun. When I see one at the right price in a sale or at a car boot sale, that
will be my next project

Quicklocks
Yale X5 electric pick…. :shock: WOW!

From a new member to another new member
Look at all the posts on this Lockpicking website. All the information you need you will find,
if you look. I have found that the search button at the top of the screen does not work that well,
so use our famous friend www.google.com and use the following entry within the search box :

site:www.lockpicking101.com <Put the words you want to search here without the brackets>

It has taken me over 3 months to view 60-70% of the posts and in some sections I have gone back
to 2003/2004. So if you are new and want some info, spend the next few months viewing this
website and searching using google (using the above entry), believe me when I say you WILL
find the information you need without hassling the other mature members. If you cannot find the
info you want then make a post, I am sure other members will help (they have helped me already
and this will be my first post) as long as you have TRIED to search for the information.

THE CONVERSION

Electric Scissors Make, Purchased from, Cost and Service

Electric Scissors called EZ cut

Available from : http://www.westonshealth.co.uk/acatalog ... 194.html#a
I have no interest in this site other than this was the cheapest place I could find these scissors. Other
websites have these scissors in at another £10 more than I paid for them.

Available in blue and yellow.

Cost was £9.15 ($16.80).
With Postage and Packing to UK Total Price £13.49.

Ordered 27/10/2005 Received 16/11/2005
Website states that although they try to get the order to you within 7 days, it can take up to
28 days to fulfil the order.

The electric scissor Pick

With modifications
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In Bits
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Taking it apart

Be careful taking the electric scissors out of the packaging you will not damage the scissors, you just might
cut yourself on the plastic. Yep that was me and the cut still hurts. :cry:

Before taking apart, put some batteries in the unit (2 x AA) and have a play. They do work very well as
electric scissors. Take batteries out when you have finished playing.

Before taking the electric scissors apart remove the scissor blades, careful they are like mini razor blades.
You cannot see the blades on the picture above but they are removed using a Phillips screw driver.

Unscrew Phillips screw in handle and unscrew flat head screw near scissor heads. Make sure you don’t drop the little nylon bolt on the other site of the flat head screw. Pull gently apart.

Things will spring apart if you are not careful. There is a spring situated behind the orange scissor head, the position of this although not show in the pictures, is very obvious. The button might spring apart as well, so below is a picture,
which shows the correct position. Make sure the metal is “springy” where the red button sits, otherwise the metal is not fitted correctly.

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Modifying the orange scissor head

Drill two holes (the size of your nut and bolts) 6mm and 20mm from the tip of the orange scissor head. 3.5mm and 5mm from the top of the head.
Please see picture below

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Using any small size nut, bolt and washer put in place. Make sure the pick is placed under the washer and between the “raised” orange plastic, where the original screw was to hold in the scissor blades. Please see below picture. You might have to file down a small amount of the base of the pick to make this fit (I did).

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The pick

Made from a windscreen wiper blade. 70cm long with one end filed down to a 1mm width and a length of approximately 40mm. The other end filed just to make the pick “sit right” under the washers and between the “raised” orange plastic.

Now put the unit back together.

Locks opened with the electronic pick

ERA cylinder lock. 5 pins. No security pins. Opening time approx 10-20 seconds. My Current single pin pick time 16mins

(Sorry bit out of focus)
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Floppy disc lock. 3 pins. No security pins. Opening time approx 2-5 seconds. My Current single pin pick time <1min

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(Single pin pick times are my best times for picking each individual pin. OK the times are poor, but I have only been practicing for 2 months on and off)

I will test some more locks but I did not have enough time last night and decided to write this post instead. I have approximately 30 locks in my collection 20 of which this conversion should be able to pick.

Other modifications to look at

The pick vibrates very fast. I have been able to control the speed slightly by not pressing so hard on the button.
The end of the pick moves about 11.0 mm which I think might be too much. So a screw or modification to stop the pick moving so much might be needed.

You could remove the blue scissor head with a hack saw, but if you leave this you can remove the pick, add the scissor blades and use them as electric scissors again.

REQUESTS (If people have time)

Could someone please measure for me, the width of movement at the end of their commercial electric pick (when the unit is vibrating) and PM me (or post) with the measurements, so I have something to reference.

As I have never used an electric pick, if someone has a good technique for using an electric pick could you please PM me (or post). There are post on electric pick techniques and I have tried them but with no more success.

I might run out of bandwidth on my website host, so if there is an interest in this post and I run out of bandwidth could someone please host the pictures. If I do run out of bandwidth then there is a possibility that the pictures will not display. (Pictures only total approx 180kb)

I hope this post interests other members.

Ju.
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Postby digital_blue » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:35 am

Now that's my kinda newbie! :D :D :D

Welcome to the site ju_ !!

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Postby illusion » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:39 am

o darn... near to 500 posts and I haven't posted a single guide.... Could this be considered lazy?

yeah, nice work on the electro-pick :)
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Postby ju_ » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:42 am

digital_blue wrote:Now that's my kinda newbie! :D :D :D

Welcome to the site ju_ !!

db


Thanks db.

Been waiting to post something useful, hopefully someone does find this useful

When I have got the design and technique right for the above, I am hoping the next project will be a homemade 2 in 1 pick.

Ju
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Postby digital_blue » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:57 am

I'll look forward to that. I did find this post useful. Useful enough that I'm finally gonna go and try and find a pair of these electric scissors and have a go myself. Not sure that I'd use an electric pick much, but there is the coolness factor of putting it together. :)

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Postby Shrub » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:00 am

Well done, great first post, no flaming needed (dished out), informative, and complete.

Welcome, i have all the time in the world for people like you.

Your 11mm is ok but for differant locks you may want to shorten it down to as little as 2mm but if thats not possable just cycle the button, by that i mean dont insert it into the lock and hold it on, instead press and release press and release etc etc, you may find this will work better.

Move your tool in and out as well as tilting it up and down so you can 'massage' all the pins at separate times, you may be setting the back ones but over or under setting the front ones so you would lift the tool up and visa versa to do the front pins, i only use the straight pick but others like to use things like a rake attachment for example,

The best tip with EP's is to bounce the tension, some times you need to vary it so it can set differant sized pins.

Keep up the good work.

Yes illusion, your being a lazy dog :wink:
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Postby Shrub » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:00 am

Dog :lol: funny filter thinks a dog is a child without a father :lol: or someone who works behind the bar :lol:
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Postby illusion » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:04 am

:lol: :lol:
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Postby ju_ » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:50 am

Shrub wrote:Your 11mm is ok but for differant locks you may want to shorten it down to as little as 2mm but if thats not possable just cycle the button, by that i mean dont insert it into the lock and hold it on, instead press and release press and release etc etc, you may find this will work better.


Shrub thanks for the info.

I think the above electric pick may need a bit more modification as I don't think there is enough "snap". I have been looking at the southord design online and I think I may have to modify the electric scissors in a similar way.

So when I get a little more time I will look at a modification for the above design and post the pictures and results.

Anyway back to an evening of manual lockpicking.
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Postby Mad Mick » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:30 am

:shock: Wow! Great job ju_ and great advice for other newbies. Keep it up, you'll do well here.
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Postby ju_ » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:48 am

Mad Mick wrote::shock: Wow! Great job ju_ and great advice for other newbies. Keep it up, you'll do well here.


Thanks Mad Mick.

My newbie advice comes from looking at posts for 3 months. I started viewing the site in August and only just got a login when I had something interesting to post.

Well I hope it was of interest members
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Postby Mad Mick » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:15 am

That's a very nice tutorial. Kudos.
If you wanted to make the scissor pick blades a bit more secure, you could make them from hacksaw blades and drill holes to mount them. Not quite as quick as your current setup, if a blade has to be changed, but there's no chance of a blade slipping.
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Postby ju_ » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:12 pm

Mad Mick wrote:That's a very nice tutorial. Kudos.
If you wanted to make the scissor pick blades a bit more secure, you could make them from hacksaw blades and drill holes to mount them. Not quite as quick as your current setup, if a blade has to be changed, but there's no chance of a blade slipping.


Good point Mick.

I Already know about the hacksaw blades see my homemade collection below (all made with a hand held angle grinder).

But it would have been a little loud at 10pm at night :D to grind a pick, so I went for the wiper blades and filed the pick by hand.

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Postby Gordon Airporte » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:57 pm

Very cool. I'm trying to figure out the mechanism though. Is it that there's a 'paddle' or cam on the motor shaft which tilts the pick up with every revolution, then it's returned by the spring pulling down on it?
I'm trying to think of ways to make the stroke length variable (without going to the trouble of searching to find out how it's been done elsewhere ;-) ).
Also, if it was desirable to vary the frequency of the stroke, could you just slap a variable resistor on it?
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Postby digital_blue » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:57 pm

Well, I couldn't find that particular model of electric scissors today, but I found another very similar model, so I bought it (for $5 CA). I just took it apart, made very similar mods as yours, and gave it a whirl.

First stop, my house door. Worked like a charm, and almost instantly. Go Defiant! :P Next stop, a Baldwin cylinder which has much tougher springs. No love there. Seems that it's just doesn't have the power to accomplish what it's supposed to do when the springs are a bit stronger. I can hear/feel the motor bogging down. I even tried swapping the batteries just to be sure. But it's not an all together loss. There are probably a whole slew of Weisers, Kwiksets, etc. that are ripe for the picking (pun intended) with this puppy. Overall, pretty neat. I'll show it off at my next LSI meeting.

And best of all, it was fun.

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