high security euro cylinder

[lordofbaal]

Hi

I was browsing the internet and I found a euro style cylinder that fitted my needs perfectly however I lost the link

The style/type I was looking for was a euro cylinder with the weak point around the screw reinforced and a more 'complicated' key (the key in the lock I found was oval shaped)

The reason I require this type of lock is due to the fact that the 'bug' on these locks is currently being exploited in my area by burglars

so you can understand I don’t want my house to be broken into by an idiot with a set of mole grips!

if anyone knows of a lock that would fit my needs please could you let me know


Many thanks for your help

[lordofbaal]

By a more complicated key, I mean a key that is more sophisticated than a standard pin tumbler.

Maybe a lock that uses more than one set of pins or some other method of access control that will increase the difficulty in gaining access to my property.

Thanks again.

[jason]

The only way you can get enough purchase with a set of mole grips is to have the wrong size cylinder fitted. I will use the term cylinder as I assumed that you are from the UK and it gets a bit tredious typing in Euro profile cylinder all the time.

This attack isn't a bug, it is the result of poor quality locksmithing.

Properly fitted there should be no more than about 1 - 2mm protruding from the front of the door. What often happens is that a carpenter will buy his locks from a normal builders merchants (these only have one or two sizes) and are usually pretty poorly built (MILA are particularly bad, they are five pin but wear really quickly - first time I found one on a lockout it picked open in under 30 seconds with a manual rake - my electropick was dead!)

Take the cylinder out and look at the discolouration where it sticks out of the door and measure the cylinder to this point - then go to a proper locksmith and buy a replacement cylinder that is the right size - ie doesn't protrude past the oxidised/discoloured bit.
I would suggest that you buy either Yale or Zone (Yale seem to last forever but their euro profiles are a bit difficult to source at a reasonable price) - Zone are reasonably priced have six pins (with anti pick) and are now fitted with toughend steel anti drill pins (CEN grade 4).

If you don't want a conventional pin tumbler arrangement you can opt for Multi locks (very expensive) or Garrisons (a knock off verson of Multi lock - but a bit poorly built IMHO). The size options on these aren't too good which leaves you open to the snapper/mole grip attack.

I would suggest for cost effective protection you go for a Zone or Esla profile cylinder properly fitted. One attack I have carried out was to unscrew the door handle from the front and use a snapper (don't you just love carpenters/doubleglazing door installers?) - make sure that the handle is fitted so that it cannot be unscrewed from the outside.

If you are seriously paranoid you can get a British Standard re-inforcing kit for these locks - it comprises a shield over the front of the cylinder which bolts through the door and prevents a gripper from holding it, it has a rotating cover which stops drill attacks. There is a way around it but I'm not discussing it in an open forum.

[marso]

Thanks Jason for the post.

[lordofbaal]

Thanks for the post, I live in York (UK)

I guess I am a bit paranoid

It is just that when you get up in the morning, you lock up on your way out, and you see that someone has attempted to use mole grips on your lock (as it is all mashed up!) you can get a bit weird!

While we are on the subject of MILA this lock is so sub-standard it is unbelievable! I thought you were joking so I tried it, I put my snake rake into the lock and it opened

My lock projects around 9mm from the door! Therefore, I am going to buy a replacement ASAP

In addition, what does IHMO mean?

Thanks again for your help

John

[marso]

Just a tip put any words you do not know in a search engine.

IMHO = In my humble opinion

[Quin]

You know you've been on the new waaay to long when you remember when acronyms like imho first came out

[the_mole]

You know you've been on the net waaay to long when you remember when acronyms like imho first came out

You know you've been on the net too long when you remember BEFORE the acronyms came out.


Mole.