justlocks locksmith course

[quickpicker]

a big thankyou to ken and co at just locks.
just found this site and i would like to thank ken for the course that got me into the locksmith game 5 years ago.
the 2 day course was very very good and covered most openings of all the different types of locks.
after course practice and dedication to seek out other aspects of locksmithing ie upvc mechs and all the other picking methods and knowledge that you can only gain by on the job experience.
dived straight into the warrant game and had to work by the seat of my pants for a year or more but im there now.
read some posts that knock these courses and its unfair. if it wasnt for these courses people would struggle to enter the industry and would have to know a lockie perhaps or do a aprenticeship with a company. with all the utility debts locksmiths are in demand and these courses help this greatly
i can now work partime hours and earn fulltime money for sometimes just driving to birmingham and back.
thanks again ken. you saved my life in a way.
cheers

[UWSDWF]

Could you give a little detail regarding the course

i.e; Location, url, contact info....

Cheers

[quickpicker]

yes ok, the course was held in wellingborough uk when i attended. im not sure where they hold them now.
the website i have just found. it is www.justlocks.org all the relevant details are on the site.

[lockey1963]

Quickpicker, im a little confused , in an earlier post you talked of warrant work and how you have done this for 5 years for leading debt companies, but in this post you state you did your basic course only a little over 4 years ago ? was you doing warrant work prior to training in picking ? and if so did it earn you more money after training ?
confused ?

[acl]

Quickpicker,you are an A number 1 windup merchant,please tell us who and where you are,surely someone who has the nuts to annoy everyone on this site should have the bollocks to let us who YOU are.Maybe not eh

[quickpicker]

lol andy. maybe i have been larking about a little. but rest assured i do take my job seriously.
it didnt help when i initially read a post on here and read how lots of you disrespect lockies who get into the industry via these training courses.
i found it offensive a little arrogant.
no one is better than the next man. we are all equal. do you understand what im getting at.
everyone has a right to choose a path to take and if its doing a 2 day course or the mla route, today tomorrow or the next you lot have no right to winge and judge anyone.
THE END

[UWSDWF]

so are you saying that two day training course is equal to a 3year apprenticship hmmm..... now i don't know what to think

[acl]

Quick i see where your coming from but id have to agree with UW on this someone who started at the bottom and done apprenticeship has to be better than one thats completed a 2 day course. Dont get me wrong i know some very good locksmiths whove done short courses but these are guys with drive and ambition and they are prepared to work.Sadly yhey are in the minority,i ask some" locksmiths" to do work a few miles outside their home town and im told "its to far to go" or "its too late" these are the guys who beleive the the shite the training schools spout about earning a grand a week as soon as youve done their 2 dayer.
I dont judge people for going on these courses,they are promised the earth why not give it a go.The stark reality is that its not as easy to make a living in this business as the training cos claim.
What i would say to anyone thinking of spending their hard earned on a locksmith course is,check out the co your training with properly. What i do judge is the guys that are training others to be locksmiths that have had no on the job experience. I was told that one of the guys training at the moment was only trained as a novice just over a year ago.

[Mark A]

Quickpicker

A 2 day course is not a Locksmiths course it is a lock opening course, and yes I agree you can be taught the basics of picking the majority of locks in this time.

I also agree that locksmithing is a trade just like other trades and I'm sure you would agree with me that most trades take around 4-5 yrs of working exprience before you really become proficient and can genuinely call yourself a tradesman.

Mark

[quickpicker]

ok ok, well i must be one of those guys with the drive then.
it does anoy me that they target the callout work. this has dropped off dramatically this year for me.
at least i would like to think that they wont be good enough for warrants.
if this drops off for me then ill be looking for another job.
i understand that on the warrants for a certain company in essex that the under cutting has anoyed you but they started the bidding war.
they told their agents to forward the best lockies direct.
they told me what the others were charging so i had to match it for my own survival.
hopefully in time ill be able to add a bit on to the half and full day rates but to keep the work for the time being i cant.
yes i agree it does look a little poor for the future of the business on a whole. i cant see anyone going out for less than 125 a day though surely.
some days after fuel 100 is all i make.
it isnt enough and i sometimes wonder if its worth it.

[Bump]

Am I the only one who is both confused and baffled by some of quickpicks inconsistencies. I dont mean any disrespect but if you have been in the game so long why do you show a distinct lack of knowledge about the technical side of locks (See other posts) and why has it taken you so long to become a member of LP101 or other such sites?

I feel a little awkward writing this stuff, if you are a genuine Locksmith I apologise, but frankly you write in such a manner that its difficult to accept your credentials.

This is not intended as an attempt to flame the Op but some of quickpicks posts are embarrasingly guache!

[toomush2drink]

The problem it seems is that a lot of people specialise in just one area of locksmithing be it lockouts,warrants etc. If this one area gets a lot of competition then your livelyhood is at stake. In 5 years of trading dont you think it would have been wiser to build up your business in other areas too rather than rely on warrants ? Im not knocking you as hindsight is a wonderful thing we all wish we had but ive seen others around me suffer from this specialisation thing.
As andy says it seems most dont actually want to work hard to earn a living ie travel the distances, do the hours or invest enough into their business's, timewise or finacially.

[quickpicker]

what do you mean bump?
there isnt much i dont know.

i find your comment insulting.

[lockey1963]

if there is not alot you dont know, then you must be a gifted man indeed, as even the very best still admit their shortfalls and admit to having alot more to learn.

i envy you, as i still have so much to learn.

[CJM]

Quickpicker this must, must be a wind up? If there is so little to learn I must be an utter c**t. If the questions you have asked are real and not a pi**take thenyou are a f**kwit, sorry a know nothing f**kwit, but I suspect you are just someomne taking the piss