LSS+

[xxgonzoxx]

Well I'm perusing my LSS+ Government and man this thing is phenomenal!!!! If you can get it, regardless of which one..Get it!!! Tons and tons of information. ALL IN ONE PLACE!!!!

Once licensed you can cut copy and paste. I copied 'Art of Manipulation' converted it to a PDF and put it on my Treo for reading while commuting!! Gonna be reading this for a while!!!

[Exodus5000]

How'd you manage to get the governmental version?
Grr...mumble mumble.

[jamesphilhulk2]

yeah my friend has got that version its really jam packed full of stuff

[KBsecurities]

I wish i could get ahold of a government edition, but if I cant how good is the Police edition?

[Schuyler]

I wish i could get ahold of a government edition, but if I cant how good is the Police edition?

public
locksmith
government

those are the levels. There is more information than you can get through in any reasonable amount of time. Any addition will be a useful addition to your library.

[CombatWombat]

I envy you.

[quicksilver]

I can comment on this as I have the LSS selection from a friend who is a big guy in a crime lab (no baloney here!).
The "Government" section has a few by-pass goodies in it but it frankly is a sales lever for the company and some friends to sell their wares. I was not impressed that it was worth the hassle (or $). If I want advertising I would just surf.

There IS some alarm by-pass stuff that would be useful to a working locksmith IF they needed to switch out alarms (malfunction) without getting the unit to trigger (some have a one-time "pop").

Alarms are what I actually do for a buck and I was just not impressed with either their design or the content of the "government" portion. Just my 2 cents.

[UWSDWF]

I can comment on this as I have the LSS selection from a friend who is a big guy in a crime lab (no baloney here!).
The "Government" section has a few by-pass goodies in it but it frankly is a sales lever for the company and some friends to sell their wares. I was not impressed that it was worth the hassle (or $). If I want advertising I would just surf.

There IS some alarm by-pass stuff that would be useful to a working locksmith IF they needed to switch out alarms (malfunction) without getting the unit to trigger (some have a one-time "pop").

Alarms are what I actually do for a buck and I was just not impressed with either their design or the content of the "government" portion. Just my 2 cents.

from what i've seen of it there was very little advertising and alot of info... maybe you were looking at a section that I wasn't... especially since security.org doesn't sell any tools but instead directs you to places you can buy them

[Schuyler]

yes, sales lever for what wares?

I'm honestly fairly shocked to hear someone calling it nothing but advertising, especially as I've had the pleasure of spending some time with Marc, and while he's obviously looking to turn a buck with LSS, his work has been exhaustive and deeply influential. He is constantly vigilant about the current state of security and as such I simply cannot imagine him changing directions so drastically with the final governmental additions to LSS+

I'm hoping your wrong and I don't have to go through some disillusionment here...

[eric343]

Do the "advertisements" tell you something interesting about exploiting the vulnerabilities in other products that the 'advertised' product is meant to solve?

I'm just sayin'...

[quicksilver]

I don't want to overstate that. It's not simply advertising! However, from the perspective of what info is available (and yes a lot of it is very usable) there is an emphasis on tools and goodies that are not available except by contact with a single vendor....I hope you understand that's what I mean by advertising. There is no commercials where some caveman gets seriously depressed.

Is it worth the money? If some of the most important techniques rest with a tool that needs to be acquired via a single vendor, I think that's a good question.

[quicksilver]

yes, sales lever for what wares?
I'm honestly fairly shocked to hear someone calling it nothing but advertising,

There is nowhere that I termed it "nothing but advertising". I want to make that VERY clear. I ALSO have spoken to the owner. He was very emphatic about the need to maintain the integrity of the profession and from that perspective I believe the company to be quite ethical and above board. Please do not put words in my mouth.

What I am talking about is the amount of specific information related to my field and it's utilitarian value as compared to other workshops or research tools in a software format. The direction is geared to owning and using specific tools that are not commonly available except from specific vendors. This is important to those who are self employed or contractors of alarm distributors. When a by-pass technique is shown that uses a very specific tool the technique is limited. It focuses on the need for said tool. There is nothing inherently wrong with that but it's value is of course limited.

[Schuyler]

There is no commercials where some caveman gets seriously depressed.

I love those cavemen.

I think your response has well articulated your point.

[raimundo]

my impression was that the g'version just added a lot of destructive entry that locksmiths would cringe to think of. like how to use a pair of size twelve vibram soles. so what is in there about nde that locksmiths arent supposed to know?

[Schuyler]

I think he was implying that the government additions were more instruction manuals on how to use tools sold as government restricted by falle and whoever else.