Chateau C 970 lock

[poor paperclip picker]

I have a lock that i havent been able to pick and i was wondering about it. It is the Chateau C 970. I was just seeing if I could get some advice about it, and some information on the lock. I will put up some pictures in a few days.
Thanks a lot

[JackNco]

http://www.chateauproducts.com/index.ph ... ts_id=6116

for anyone that might know it

[poor paperclip picker]

thanks i also found this while researching, it has a description about the lock too. one main point i saw was ANTI-PICK MUSHROOM PINS. Are these actually "pick proof"?
http://www.chateauproducts.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5833

[Iceberg_Slim]

nothing is pick proof, you just have to find a way to pick it .

mushroom pins, use lighter tension and when pushng up on the pin stack, the tension wrench will want to go backwards a bit, keep a small hold on the tension and follow through on the setting of the mushroom pin.

[ObiWonShinobi]

Ive got one of those too.
Appears to be similar to the Brinks R70.

I have tried the same picking techniques on the Chateau C 970,
but the keyway is somewhat obstructed.

I need to make a different size hook to try again.
All mine are too long or too shallow.
(I dont currently have a medium...boo hoo.)

I will let you know what I find out.

[ObiWonShinobi]

It's still $#%*&%ing with me.

Has anyone ever tried to pick this from the hole in the BACK of the keyway?
Or maybe with one of the Brinks models?

[poor paperclip picker]

i havent tried from the hole in the back of the keyway, but i noticed that the hole screws me up and my pick goes through it sometimes when i try picking it from the front. I guess if you can manage to get some pins from the back then get more of the front pins from picking from the front, it might be a good strategy to tackle this lock.

[ObiWonShinobi]

Half diamond went through the back?
Or a small hook?

Done it too.... a few times.... no injuries...yet....

[poor paperclip picker]

half diamond

[lockcoach]

I haven't seen or heard of anyone picking it. Most lock I've run across can be picked or bumped. New one for me.

[ObiWonShinobi]

I heard plenty of people ask about it, but I don't have a pick small enough
to try it with yet.... the keyway is so %$#@&ing tight.

Maybe if the picks were curved .. not up and down.. but top to bottom.

I got some round tip pliers here somewhere....
If I heat the tip of a half diamond with a torch and...hmmmm

[dougfarre]

I picked this lock with a hook pick after attempting to spp for several hours on a long car ride. I only picked it after i stopped paying attention to the lock and put literally no tension on the plug. It just swung open in my hand so smoothly i nearly jumped. But for the next 4 hours of the car ride i couldn't open it again, although I gave up after a while.

[raimundo]

lockcoach, tell me how you got the chateau bumpkey, No one I know has a card for chateau for their code machines, I haven't seen the information on cuts and spacing for chateau locks, I know of one attempt to make a bumpkey for them using either american lock specks or abus lock specs. but it didn't work.

[Emrys]

Ah! this lock! I'm glad I'm not alone with the hatred built against this lock

My buddy bought this lock before our last deployment. It seemed like a simple lock to have fun with. He hasn't gotten it yet, but after a week of curse words and practice, I've been able to open it.

You me, I had to use a combination of raking and SPP. I first ran a shallow feeler pick through, and that set some of the pins. Then I went in and felt around & SPP any that remained. This has been the most efficient technique I've been able to come up with against this lock. Hope you get yours. good luck.

-Rob

[poor paperclip picker]

I had to use a combination of raking and SPP. I first ran a shallow feeler pick through, and that set some of the pins. Then I went in and felt around & SPP any that remained.

When you did this, what kind of tension did you use?