TrioVing cylinder

[njalme]

Hi,

I'm having grave difficulties picking a door lock by TrioVing. After looking at some brochures I believe the serial is 5537 (C). (C) stands for double cylinder, not sure what that is..

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I made a very slim pick and which with some effort I can get around the keyway to push the pins up. However the cylinder itself is very unlike the padlock cylinders I'm used with which kinda push back when you put tension on em. Like a spring. This on just stays put if I let go of the tension making it very hard to set the pins. Anyone got tips on these kinds of locks?

I'm using a selfmade thin hook and a southord twistflex TW-02 tension (which I don't like but haven't found any good materials to make one myself with)

I'm very new with this so any help would be very much appreciated!
It's a 7pin btw. (I know but finding anything less in norway is a pain, got several 5 pin padlocks but want to try myself on cylinders.)

[raimundo]

Best guess for info, either another Norwegian locky comes up on the site or you could look at Toool netherlands site for links or anything in the works of Han Fey. I understand these locks are a bit different, but little has been posted on them for a long time.

[njalme]

ok, I'll do some research on him. thanks.

[ASSA]

that's their scandinavian oval entry level cylinder, you probably have anti pick pins in 2 or 3 of the chambers, the high spring tension and the manufacturing tollerances makes it a quite hard lock to pick

[njalme]

ye, I haven't taken it apart yet, last time I lost a few springs and pins which the vacuum cleaner found before me after the lock "exploded"

It's extremely difficult to set the pins, I am less than a newb of course but still, I do have a ~100% success rate over a couple of minutes with the rest of my non TrioVing locks and this one feels like a true .

[locklearner]

It is correct that this locks have anti pick (mushroom) pins in several of the chambers. The springs are usually of the same kind and tension in each lock. The lock comes with both 6 and 7 pins in the same cylinder, but the most common is the 6 pin wich your lock almost garanteed is out from the picture.
I have not been working much on this locks with manual picks, but I can ensure You that it is not the easiest lock to pick. The most common profile is the one you have posted pictures of, and it is rather narrow to enter with the picks too. I have had some success with my manual lockaid pick gun with a thin grinded needle in it. With impressioning I have nearly 100% success.

Please tell if you pick it manually.

[weerwolf]

Wow , that is deinitely not a lock for beginners. 7 pins is quite a lot. Especially if there are anti-pick pins. Also , the pinning on this one isn't really going to make it easy. There is a long pin before a much shorter one on pin2 and 3. And again on the last 2 pins.

I would suggest taking the lock appart. Repin it with the normal pins , leaving the mushrooms out. Start with 2or 3 pins , and build up.

[raimundo]

Lock learner probably has more experience on this one than most of us here, I am a bit skeptical about thinning a pick gun probe, as it sounds like it could just bend the probe.

But his mention of impressioning is key. Impressioning is where experience locksmiths go if picking isn't doing the job, and NDE is the type of result you require.

If you get bored picking and need a break, go to impressioning. You can learn more about locks doing that.

[locklearner]

I think these locks usually have mushroom pin in each of the chambers, so you absolutely have a challenge if you will pick this manually.
It can be up to 4,5milimeters (about 0.18 inches) difference in length from short and long pins but it will only be maximum 2,5 milimeters (about 0,1 inch) difference in pins that stand together because of the angle on the key-cuts. Anyway you in worst case might need a pick that can reach 0.18 inches on the tip on these locks, and the profile the keyway is a bit narrow for such picks.
Here you can se a picture of how the pins and springs look.

[Stianbl]

I'v got some of those myself, but I'v never been able to pick it I Got another trioving lock open, which had 2 securitypins (i think), but thisone is a real pain...

Any information would be great, as these are the locks most of norwegians use at the front door...

Heres a shot of the locks, and a macro/closeup:



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[raimundo]

tell me about the camera you used to take tha macro closeup, did you use some special lighting diffusers, like a light box?

The photo of the pin in keyway is one of the best photos I have seen here,

Its the type of photo that we need everytime someone asks about a particular lock or picking problem.

Congratulations on picking the trio ving, does it have 7 pins,? you can just count the flats at the bottoms of the bitting cuts on the key.

I don't have one of these so I can't really answer any of your question.

[Stianbl]

Hey

I used my Nikon D40 with a standard lense (yeah, standard and cheap camera, but great fun to play with!), and to get the macro I bought a macro adapter at DealExtreme.com /free shipping) for 9$. This is simply a tube that you place between the camera and the lense, that will give great macro shots. This requires a lot of light, but my "light-settup" is very simple. I will post a picture of it to explain xD

Didnt get enough light into the lock, as the lense is only 1cm away from the object with this macro. I can take pictures of other stuff on demand, just let me know, and I'll shoot some and post them. =) In fact, it would be great to get some requests Marco or others...

I think it had 7 pins, yes. But it was a matter of luck, as I had given up on the lock (was trying to open it to get the cylinder out and make a cut-away lock. But I'v never gotten the time to cut it yet. ). I was picking around inside, and with some random moves it opened. Dont think I can do that again, as I'v had no luck with the locks I'v posted above...

Anyways, heres my "light-settup". Please let me know if you'v got any requests of anything (related or non-related).

Heres the macro adapter I bought new for 9$:


Heres the setup for the macro shots (with the macro adapter):


Random macro of a cap(coca cola):

[raimundo]

a bottle cap Yeah, that setup really works. and about picking the seven pin TV lock, I think that when you opened it, what happened was that you weren't trying to impose your understanding on the lock and just let it tell you what would work. A bit like what happens if you just watch TV and are picking some monster that has been fighting you to a draw and then it opens.

[Stianbl]

Thats how my first lock opened I had this abus lock while watching tv, and just got my set of picks. Not focused on the lock, but suddenly it popped open. Great feeling ^^

[Zufra]

Norwegian trioving lock, probably got 7 ”double mushroom” drivers. A lock that usually have high tolerances. I will get some pictures up soon. This is not a lock fore beginners, although its actually the standard home door lock here in Norway..