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DYI snap gun lock picking results

Tool recommendations, information on your favorite automatic and/or mechanical lockpicking devices for those with less skills, or looking to make their own.

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DYI snap gun lock picking results

Postby Jimmie » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:50 am

Hi all

I would like to know if some of you have tried the DYI snap gun made from a coat hanger or other steel stuff

what are your results ? on what lock brands ? and so on ...

and so ... which is the best design for the DYI snap gun ?

the one like a safety pin or like a pick gun ?

or the others made with a clothpin ??

thanx for your future "inputs"

greetings

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DYI Snap Gun

Postby Murph » Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:47 am

I read some pros and cons. Quite a few people posted some stories, do a search in this forum.
I'll monkey with one eventually.
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Postby CaptHook » Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:03 am

Ive made several over the years,
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This design is what Ive found works best for me. Made these out of winshield wiper strips, the narrow ones. Tinker with the bend of the "spring", needs to be kinda stout considering the metal used.
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Postby skold » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:57 am

how well do they work??
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Postby CaptHook » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:23 am

Not too bad on locks like kwikset, weiser etc. I have been able to open about 60% of the locks Ive tried that design on. Never got them to work on schlages though.
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Postby S3rratedSp00L » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:56 pm

Made a coat hanger snap gun a while back. I tried it on some kwiksets (2 key in knob and 1 deadbolt), a couple master padlocks, a Brinks R70 Diskus style, Brinks key in knob, and 3 American Brand padlocks.

All of the kwiksets opened, although I could get them much quicker by hand, except for the rare occasion where it would open on the first snap. A master padlock opened and I can get it to open with a couple snaps most of the time. (It has an easy bitting and can be opened by rocking a straight pick in it. Not much accomplishment)

The Brinks R70 did not open, but I didn't expect it to. It seems to have some spools or mushrooms as well as a little spring tension to overcome. I did not try very hard to pop it. Just gave it some pops for 15 minute adjusting my technique. No go as of yet. I will try again sometime when I am bored. I can pick it consistently within 30 seconds with a hook. More fun to single pin this one. The Brinks key in knob lock was a different story! It had been giving me some trouble raking and single pin. It opened! Took a long time with the snap gun, like 7 or 8 minutes and wasn't much fun. (Until it opened, of course, hehe)

Hmmm... homemade snap gun on an American brand. I've seen it done, but I cannot do it with my mine. :( Single pin picking I can do. These are not easy though. Not for me yet, anyway. (I do have my good days though!) Takes me anywhere from a couple minutes to an hour. (or till I take a break... never give up!) 3 models tried were series 40, 5100, and 5200 for information.

Bounced with an extremely light tension on the kwikset key in knob and can get those in around 12 snaps. Held an extremely light tension on the kwikset deadbolt and angling the tip upward and snapping from back to front in a single pin kinda style gave me best results on my particular deadbolt. With the master no. 1 padlock, just held at a slight angle and kept snapping for best results. If the angle was just right it would be a one snap wonder! Bounced the tension a little more wildly for the brinks key in knob lock. (Has some high-low bitting I found out!) So in general, bounce the tension, but occasionally just a really light consistent tension can work.
By bouncing the tension I mean both a back and forth between the snap and wrench, and also just random bounces/snaps.

In my opinion, this thing needs a little more kick! A stronger material than a coat hanger would help. Slightly thicker would help and finding just the right diameter for the spring part of it would be some avenues of improvement. I'd like to try it on a schlage and anything else I can get permission for. I would recommend that people make these and try them out. It's cheap and you learn more about your locks, believe it or not.

I learned a little more about springs by making a homemade snapgun. Here's a link for everyone that may provide something useful: http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html

Someday I will try to make a better one. For now, this thing is a nice little toy that could sometimes be useful. I still prefer manual picking, of course! ;)

Just remember that how the gun is held and snapped is very important especially with homemade snap guns. You need to make sure you don't dampen the snap by holding it funny. Transfer as much snap as you can to the pins. It really is a skill. Different from standard hand picking, but the things you learn about tension with a gun can be adapted to possibly improve your manual picking! It really believe it helped my manual picking, a tiny little bit. It being a bit on the weak side forced me to get as much transfer of force as I could. (I still want more kick, though!)

GOod luck, read about springs, and make yourself a snap-gun if you haven't already! Do not neglect those manual picks though! :)
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Postby Jimmie » Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:23 pm

I've already made snap guns ... from coat hanger wire to piano wires

the last one was from a "fish mouth opener" ... you know this thing looking like a safety pin to help a fisher to remove the hook from the mouth of a big fish ...

it is a very strong spring ... I've tried to open some Fr VACHETTE locks with it without good results

(the VACHETTE lock is more or less similar than an ABUS lock with 3 spool pins and 2 mushrom pins ... the mushroms are on the 1st and 5th position)

I will try with a screen wiper blade asap


thanx for your inputs

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Postby S3rratedSp00L » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:15 am

I have only tried using coat hanger so far. Wiper inserts does sound interesting and maybe I will visit the nearest place that stocks fishing supplies and see if they have anything that looks useful as well. I just tried the snapgun on a lock that was on my screen door and it works. The lock is made by Mico... I have never heard of it before, but with it being a screen door lock I didn't expect much. It has a low-high-low-hig-low bitting so I would think it would have been harder, but I think the tolerances are a little loose. If I get the angle just right it opens with one snap. I still can't get the american padlocks open.

Jimmie, sounds like your snapgun has a little more kick than mine does. Oh! Is the keyway on your Vachette paracentric? I am not familiar with Vachette so I will do some searching out of curiosity. I have tried to use a snapgun on an abus without much luck. I did open a small abus no. 41 laminated padlock, but I can open it much quicker with a nice hook.

Well, I think I am going to do a bit of manual picking now.. :) Had some fun with the snapgun. I'll come back to it again and hopefully improve mine a little bit. I would like to make a plug spinner and maybe an electric first as I don't have either one yet....
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Postby Chucklz » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:45 am

A few months ago, someone made a snapgun out of a striker for lightiing propane torches. I remember that it had a bit too much snap, and basically dissassembled a kwikset cylinder, in situ. Be careful.
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help

Postby lighty59 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:00 am

i need to learn how to make a cheap lock pick gun. If anybdy can hlp please leave me a message.
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Postby Romstar » Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:12 am

Well, there is a picture right here in this very thread showing a few snaper type picks.

This is as close as you're going to get to a gun unless you ahve some machining ability.

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how?

Postby lighty59 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:06 am

how do you make them??? :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
howdy yall :)
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Postby Chucklz » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:07 am

Try reading the tread you've posted in.
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Re: help

Postby Mad Mick » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:07 am

lighty59 wrote:i need to learn how to make a cheap lock pick gun. If anybdy can hlp please leave me a message.


I'll leave you a message...ImageSEARCH!!! (hint - it's at the top of the page)

*has spoon, but won't feed* ALL the info required, is contained within this thread. *wonders how far one can stray from Momma, before becoming helpless* :roll:
Image If it ain't broke.....pull it down and see how it works anyway!
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