I saved my friend's life with lockpicking!

[FrenchKey]

I think it depends

I there is only one plug, the picking is easier because there are effectively 2 possible heights for each pin location.
If the master key uses a different shearline (like removable core or such things), indeed, the picking will be much harder !

[mattman]

It's kind of inspired me to become a little better at lock picking...

I hope it also inspired you and your friends not to do stupid things, like drinking ridiculous amounts of alcohol.

-Matt

[bushd]

Nice story to tell there. I've only got a few of people I know getting locked out of places - the best one was at a wedding of the bridal party dressing room. Certainly nothing of the I saved person's life. You know, you should hint at them to get you some new tools or literature to further your knowledge for future life-saving attempts.

Where I work we get customers locked out of cars all the time, which would provide with great stories as we've had one lady lock her baby inside her car but the cops promptly busted the window. I think they were looking to hit her with child endangerment afterwards. Would be nice to invest in a set of automotive bypass tools as I don't like to deal with automotive wafer locks and the risk of breaking them but I really don't want to spend that kind of cash.

[LocksmithArmy]

wow

that is a really amazing tale... of course if you removed alcohol from the picture there would be no issue... what do you people see in drinking... im 20 and never had a drop... what is the point, well im off the subject

the only time my lockpicking skills have been employed it has been for the opposite reasone as yours... but if you think that if they kicked the door in it would have alerted people inside i may have saved lives lol

i dont do many missions tho as its not my job (im signal) but they put u where they need you out here and sometimes they need to get thru a door quietly

kudos tho keep practicing just in case ur needed agin

[PooFlinga]

Only story I have with lock picking is one time at the dorms one of my friends was making a pizza in the kitchen, and locked himself out. We could have called the RA to get us back in, but it was 4 am. and we didn't want to have to wake them up. So I used my lock picks to get us into the kitchen in time to save the pizza!

[Myrdin]

You didn't save your friends life, you endangered it by allowing them to drink that much and by leaving them alone by themselves ASLEEP. People aspirate in their sleep all the time with alcohol poisoning. You wont get a high five or hurrah from me for breaking in and "saving" her. A true friend would have put her on her side and supervised her.

[Scott_93]

LOL, yes indeed you should have at least slept next to her to make sure she was ok, and then in the morning you could tell her how you saved her life

[johnny_bombastic]

Good job! It's true that you can save lives by picking locks. I work as a locksmith for AAA. It's not that uncommon for people to lock their pets or babies or drunk friends inside their cars along with their keys. I've even seen one old lady lock herself inside her car! Her battery had died and she didn't know that there were manual locks in addition to the power locks, so she sat there frantically hitting the power locks in the heat for over an hour before a passerby saw her and thought to call someone.

[Dooms_day]

lol if it was a door to a room, it was probably paper thin, ive kicked a few doors in and it is surprisingly easy, if anything you could of done that.

[spowers]

Honestly, I was an EMT for 8.5 years and then became a paramedic before deciding to change careers. Your best choice in that case was to call 911. The fire dept. would have just used a bypass tool to pop the door open, and EMS would have started medical care right there. Driving your friend to the hospital instead of getting prompt field treatment endangered your friends life. If you ever encounter something like that again, remember that fire and EMS are not there to get you into trouble, and that your friend would get help much quicker. Ambulances provide treatment, not just a ride.

[LocksmithArmy]

The fire dept. would have just used a bypass tool to pop the door open

to bypass what exactly... the door frame (by using a hydrolic arm to spread the frame) or bypass the wood in the door with their foot or hatchet... you make it seem like the fire department has a secret bypass that opens all doors..

im not arguing with ur logic that 911 was a safe bet... just curous as to what "bypass" the fire dept would use. this is a forum full of people who know abt locks and doors...

[Evan]

The fire dept. would have just used a bypass tool to pop the door open

to bypass what exactly... the door frame (by using a hydrolic arm to spread the frame) or bypass the wood in the door with their foot or hatchet... you make it seem like the fire department has a secret bypass that opens all doors..

im not arguing with ur logic that 911 was a safe bet... just curous as to what "bypass" the fire dept would use. this is a forum full of people who know abt locks and doors...

@LocksmithArmy:

Depending on the type of door and locking hardware present there are quite a variety of tools which can be employed... From simple conventional hand tools, to specialized fire department tools, to a hydraulic tool like you mentioned and even up to a gasoline powered cut-off saw...

Usually unless the doorway in question is a "fortress", forced entry can be made with conventional tools called "irons" consisting of: an axe (used as an impact tool to set the "Halligan" Tool or Maul), a "Halligan" Tool (either the pry end or the hook end) or a Maul... Then it is a matter of applying leverage until either the door, the hinges or the frame gives enough for entry to be achieved...

There are other methods for entry in other applications which get into the territory of being a verboten topic to discuss now considered "advanced" only... If you would like more info you can PM me...

~~ Evan

[LocksmithArmy]

The fire dept. would have just used a bypass tool to pop the door open

to bypass what exactly... the door frame (by using a hydrolic arm to spread the frame) or bypass the wood in the door with their foot or hatchet... you make it seem like the fire department has a secret bypass that opens all doors..

im not arguing with ur logic that 911 was a safe bet... just curous as to what "bypass" the fire dept would use. this is a forum full of people who know abt locks and doors...

@LocksmithArmy:

Depending on the type of door and locking hardware present there are quite a variety of tools which can be employed... From simple conventional hand tools, to specialized fire department tools, to a hydraulic tool like you mentioned and even up to a gasoline powered cut-off saw...

Usually unless the doorway in question is a "fortress", forced entry can be made with conventional tools called "irons" consisting of: an axe (used as an impact tool to set the "Halligan" Tool or Maul), a "Halligan" Tool (either the pry end or the hook end) or a Maul... Then it is a matter of applying leverage until either the door, the hinges or the frame gives enough for entry to be achieved...

There are other methods for entry in other applications which get into the territory of being a verboten topic to discuss now considered "advanced" only... If you would like more info you can PM me...

~~ Evan

i almost take this replay as sarcasm mr evan... i know what bypasses are out there... and how they work... im curious to know if the fire dept is hoppin onto peterson-international.com or if theyd just use the axe... i deffinately dont need more info on the verboten topics you discuss... unless you think you have a meathod i havnt herd of or tried... unlikely... im not curious as to how to bypass a door, just how a fire dept does it... cause i feel they would cause more damage than what the op would have done...
i would say give that 911 call... and pick the door while you wait for the ambulance save your friend with immediate care and save them a few bucks by saving the door from the almost positively distructive meathod a fire dept would use... the op mentions a best deadbolt... if it were a rim cylinder deadbolt i dont know a bypass of the top of my head... not without being semi destructive at the least... if it were a mortise there may be a bypass... but im sure the fire dept wouldnt carry such a delicate tool in their bag of tricks...

[unlisted]

Seeing as I still do some admin stuff for a fire dept providing coverage for an area of 1,200 square kilometres (about 750 sq miles- both urban and rural) which serves a population of 720,000 persons, I am sure I can speak with some authority on this current subject matter.

Its called a halligan tool. Failing that they go for an axe, sledgehammer, and/or halligan. Proper body weight use and training also makes or breaks these tools effectiveness...

If its a reinforced door (or heavy commercial, etc) they go for a gas powered cut off saw- the same one normally used on roofs of pretty much any building.

If they still cannot get in after this point, well, they go through a wall. Its actually rather easy to do. (unless its a reinforced concrete/cement structure...) From that point there are other options, but they are far off the realm of hobby lockpicking. (more destructive entry stuff)

There are NO lockpicks carried by any firefighter, nor is any training offered. There ARE tools called master keys, which normally operate elevator override switches, elevator doors and gas (meter) wrench keys. Until there is a "all in one" tool which can open over 95% of all current locks in North America- within 5 seconds- no matter the way the operator uses it- I'm pretty confident nothing additional will be introduced.

Regarding damaged property- thats what insurance is for. Either the fire depts/city or (normally) the homeowner.

Most firefighters want to carry less weight, not more. Its a hot/hard enough job already.

Any more questions on current emergency services entry, feel free to ask.

[ckc123]

No, makes it harder actually.

Why is that?