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BEST key blanks???

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BEST key blanks???

Postby bumpin88 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:34 am

I am not a locksmith, so i thought i'd better ask some. i was just wondering if there were any BEST key blanks that are restricted, or illegal for the "average joe" to purchase. Thanks ahead for any and all help.

**I know there is probably someone that is going to grill me thinking i am going to break the law. I AM not breaking the law, just need a blank, or information on where to find one, online maybe.
**and if i was going to be doing anything illegal i would not be advertising it on here. *just thought i would put that out there for noone would grill me*
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby Squelchtone » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:35 am

bumpin88 wrote: *just thought i would put that out there for noone would grill
me*



I just wanted to grill you on why you use so many question marks at the end of each of your post topics?

yes, there are restricted blanks from best, but I dont think any are illegal to own. Just difficult to get. If you know the blank you are looking for, check ebay, people often sell a couple or even a box full, and some are hard to find keyways.

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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby bumpin88 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:13 am

thanks for the info squelchtone.

*question marks, just a bad habit picked up a while ago. i'll remember not to do that next time* have a good one
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby straightpick » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:56 am

Best Kaba Peaks blanks are still patent protected and are not legal to possess unless you are you are under contract with them.
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby Squelchtone » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:41 pm

straightpick wrote:Best Kaba Peaks blanks are still patent protected and are not legal to possess unless you are you are under contract with them.


I find it hard to believe that they are really "illegal" by law versus some catchy line on their website that tells you that it is illegal. It sounds more like a sales gimmick they would tell you in order to make you feel like they're sellling better key control than other lock companies. This is like stamping "Unlawful to Duplicate" on a key, it's not actually unlawful, but it may scare enough people, so that they don't try to copy the keys because the police will get them. I just don't see BEST or other lock companies having that kind of reach. Now, if you start making generic blanks of patented keyways and selling those blanks, then I could see them going after you.

I wonder though how true this claim of legal possession is for BEST sfic blanks which I think the op was asking about, as Kaba Peaks is just one of the many families of lock products BEST Access Systems has on the market.

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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby datagram » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:21 am

Patent laws don't apply to ownership of the invention, so it can't be illegal to own a key blank (unless it falls under some burglary tool law, which does not match any US state laws that I know of, including prima facie states).

It make be illegal to "use" a key blank, as that is part of patent protection. The majority of patent notices on lock sites are there to say that unauthorized manufacturing of key blanks is against the law, which is true. This means, assuming all major players follow the law, that obtaining blanks for a given lock should be harder when manufacturing is legally restricted to a select few companies.

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Herman v. Youngstown Car Mfg. Co., 191 F. 579, 584-85, 112 CCA 185 (6th Cir. 1911) wrote:A patent is not the grant of a right to make or use or sell. It does not, directly or indirectly, imply any such right. It grants only the right to exclude others. The supposition that a right to make is created by the patent grant is obviously inconsistent with the established distinctions between generic and specific patents, and with the well-known fact that a very considerable portion of the patents granted are in a field covered by a former relatively generic or basic patent, are tributary to such earlier patent, and cannot be practiced unless by license thereunder.
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby bumpin88 » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:11 pm

the lock i am talking about would be about 15 yrs old. so it is definitly not their top of the line keyway anymore, well i wouldn't assume it anyhow. the problem is that the key just has the code on it for a locksmith to copy. nothing to tell what blank it is. except it has an A on it, but it is not a A2 blank. if it helps, if you look at the keyway is looks something like a #7.

*thanks for all the info/input. this is turning
out to be a very informative topic*
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby unlisted » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:58 am

Here we go again..

I cannot locate the other best topic, but someone else had basically the same thing you did about a month or so ago.

That "code" on the key is NOT for a locksmith to make a copy of the key. That code is only for in house purposes- if you know where the lock was made for (building, etc) and had their masterkeying paperwork, than yes, that code would work for a locksmith.


But, if you take that key in, as is, they will not be able to make a duplicate by the "code" on the key.
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby Artkrp » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:24 pm

If you post a picture I'm sure I, or anyone else here with a BEST keyway chart, could help you. There is probably one online as well, so if you go looking for it, just compare to your cylinder. Unless your lock is from a Municipality, Government, Or some other "State" controlled keyway, you most likely have a normal best keyway. Most BEST keyways are just normal. Check with Jet to see if they have a keyway chart online. Or check Stanley, the new (relatively) owner of BEST access control systems.

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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby thelockpickkid » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:38 am

There is one keyblank that you can't be caught with, its the keys for mailbox lock, as you see in the post office, they look like a yale only they are opposed, I don't remember the name of them off the top of my head.
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby Squelchtone » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:02 pm

thelockpickkid wrote:There is one keyblank that you can't be caught with, its the keys for mailbox lock, as you see in the post office, they look like a yale only they are opposed, I don't remember the name of them off the top of my head.


reverse Y1.

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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby WOT » Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:27 pm

BEST Peaks, marketed in corroboration with KABA is protected by patent. Best MX8 is also patent protected.

For everything else, they're fair game. The TC is not made by Ilco or JET and it is very hard to come by. The PKS (keyway with designation starting with W) are also very hard to come by.
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby Curleylocky » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:07 pm

Some people abuse this key blanks and had used it for some bad deeds, well try searching
on some Locksmith courses sites I'm sure you'll find what are you looking for to those sites
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby jpb06080 » Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:40 am

FM is the master keyway for A-R. If you can get your hands on one of those and it slides in, you know it should be available from most any locksmith.
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Re: BEST key blanks???

Postby WOT » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:33 pm

jpb06080 wrote:FM is the master keyway for A-R. If you can get your hands on one of those and it slides in, you know it should be available from most any locksmith.


Um, no it isn't. FM is sketchy at best and quality control is inadequate even with top brand like Ilco. Best offers such multiplex blanks and if you're going to use the FM, OEM is the only way to go.

It's supposed to fit A,D,E,F and G. It does not fit B,C and H & above. The thing is that, Best knows exactly what machining tolerances are for their cylinders, so they can make it properly. Third parties, not so. I've got some Star brand that do not fit F keyways.
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