Elzett X-11

[zikmik]

Hi,
This is an Hungarian lock Elzett X-11, I had a chance to try to pick it but no luck at all

http://www.kaba-elzett.hu/en/Products-S ... rt_en.html
or
http://www.kaba-elzett.hu/en/121210_210 ... en_pdf.pdf

any one try it yet?

[raimundo]

Wow, that has dimples all around it, top side bottom,

the top ones are just passive pins? no springs, and the side ones? are they just a go-no go thing like wards?

Looks like quite an interesting lock.

[zikmik]

No, no, no
It`s all active pins with springs!



I manage to set only first two and upper one...

[tjweaver84]

Dang that's alot of active pins. Good luck with that

[Solomon]

Keep at it, zikmik. You'll get it eventually... just remember not to spend too long at once on it and if you get frustrated, go do something else and come back to it when you're ready again. There have been a couple of locks that I had real problems with and can do them quickly and consistently now... same will go for you and this lock. Keep your chin up!

[zikmik]

I am league way below this lock, so the only thing that I can do was to dissassemble it...

Click to enlarge

[lockpickfan]

That's a real hard lock for us too.

One man of our group had picked it:
http://lockpick.blog.hu/2010/12/09/nyit ... k_felvonas

He picked it with modified GOSO picks, and a hard tension tool.

I tried to pick it too yet.

Lockpickfan

[lockpickfan]

That's a real hard lock for us too.

One man of our group had picked it:
http://lockpick.blog.hu/2010/12/09/nyit ... k_felvonas

He picked it with modified GOSO picks, and a hard tension tool.

I tried to pick it too yet.

Lockpickfan

PS: Try to pick an Elzett X-6 first, it seems to a pretty practice lock for X-11.

[lockpickfan]

Mod. again:

OPEN!!!!



When the plug started to turns... that's better than an orgasm

The secret is the side ant upper pins... when there is no more feedback on the pins down, you need to find the side or upper pin, and push it very fine.

I pick the side pins with a homemade tool:



It have a smaller head than the normal dimple pick's , and i can put it ino the plug vertical for side pins.

Lockpickfan

[femurat]

Thanks to lockpickfan, I'm a lucky owner of one these locks. Its a bit stiff and gives very little feedback... hope to post some news soon.

Cheers

[femurat]

After turning the plug I found these in the keyhole
Is there a way to put them back?
Instead of being happy now I'm sad.

Thanks for any input

[lockpickfan]

You can put this pins and springs back after disassembling the lock.

In the X-11 it's a really big suck, i heard about a new version from this lock where this house pins are bigger, and can't jump into the keyhole when you turn the plug without the key.

I modified a key to turn the plug after picking, try to upload some picture afternoon.

[femurat]

Hey lockpickfan, I imagine the shape of your key. We just need to fill the keyhole close to the plug to rotate the plug without loosing the small pins.

I was hoping in a clue to remove the 2 right and 3 upper caps, to put back the pins and springs without disassembling the lock. There are 3 rows of active pins to take care of, and I'd prefer to avoid the risk of screwing everything up.
I'll drill the 6 bottom pin caps to make the process easier. Then I'll thread them M3 or M4. I'll end up with a nice practice lock.

The key still operates the lock, but I have to shake it a little to set the side and upper pins that are missing their springs.

I'll keep you updated...

Cheers

[femurat]

As I said I didn't feel like disassembling this lock, so I decided to reduce its complexity by removing the main row of pins.
I carefully drilled the caps with a 1,5 mm drill bit, then pulled them out with a self-thread screw and a pair of pliers. Then threaded the holes M3 and cleaned the lock with compressed air.
Next step is to remove the circlip and plug, then try to put back the little upper and right side pins and springs and reassemble the plug.

Cheers