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Homemade slimline

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

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Homemade slimline

Postby Darrylportelli » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:54 pm

Hey
I have made loads of good picks using a bench grinder and hacksaw blades using these measurements http://www.gregmiller.net/locks/makelockpicks.html But I live in europe and the locks we use (ex cisa, FF, ABUS, ecc) are difficult to pick with those standard pick measurements.
Can someone please upload the measurements for some slimline picks for use on these locks?
Thanks
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Re: Homemade slimline

Postby unlisted » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:43 pm

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Re: Homemade slimline

Postby raimundo » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:17 pm

You make picks and you need dimensions to make them smaller?

You are too dependent on others... cut the rope, cast adrift and make a decision of your own, you'll probably be happily surprised,

Don't think that homemade picks must follow the dimensions of the commercial picks, those picks were just copies of homemade picks that someone with a punch press copied. For profit, not necessarily for dimensional correctness, in fact, many commercial picks are actually too wide for universal use, just because they expect customers to be beginners with heavy pressure on the pins. And for non beginners who started with this commercial crap and never learned to use thin picks and light pressure.

Make your thin pick then if it bends in use, the next one will be slightly larger. Decide on the dimensions yourself. dont make it longer shafted than a 6 pin key unless you have some reason to need a bit of standoff to your hand, and even then, the part that appears outside the keyway need not be thin shafted.

A skeleton key is an old lever type key that has all the fat trimmed off it so it fits loosely in the lock. this passes more wards and delivers only the amount of strength that is actually needed for opening the lock, while the original key may be over strenghtened for years of use by the kind of people who break keys.

Skeletonization is important in picks also, picks are not made to simulate keys, they are made to move very freely in the keyspace that the key fills up.

The more you skeletonize a pick, that is trim the fat off it, the more universal it is when you encounter paracentric keyways, and the lighter pressure can pick more locks than heavy prybars sold commercially as picks.

You should also smooth the picks shaft and tip and round off all edges to reduce the interaction with wards.

do not have a thin area on the pick that is of very short length, as this creates a point that the rest of the pick can overpower and concentrate stress on, Thin is good but the areas that are thin should be long enough to flex and return rather than a short lenth that will only bend and set in a bend prior to breaking.

take two pliers and grip a wire like a coat hanger, three inchs apart, you can bend that just a little and it will spring back, but if you reduce the length between the pliers, the bend will tend to set. and if there is no room between the pliers, it will break the wire,

No pick should have to bend more than just a little if the picker understands what he's doing, If the lock actually requires heavy tension, then use southord of course. no reason to break good picks using them as prybars.
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Re: Homemade slimline

Postby Darrylportelli » Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:46 pm

Hey . The reason I was asking the size of commercial slimlines is because I have an FF lock that I cant pick(actually I picked it 3 times but out of luck)
and was wondering if I needed smaller picks but now I think its not from the picks because I fashioned a very small one (hook) and still cant get it open.This lock is driving me insane . http://www.facchinetti.it/foto12.htm mine is the middle one from the bottom row It is fiddly to get the picks inside because of the way the keyway is fashioned....not like american locks straight,but curved a lot. Please help
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