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Bogota Review by the Numbers

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

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Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby JK_the_CJer » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:27 pm

Raimundo sent me a very generous care package of Bogotas recently. The catch was that I had to have the honor of reviewing the latest design (Monserrate). I went a bit further and did some thorough testing on all of the tools. Myself and folks that had never picked before did some structured testing to try to determine the best picks of the bunch. I did some math and figured out that we spent over 2 hours of active picking time (not including tool insertion, recording data, etc..) on this one.

These tools rock and here are some numbers to prove it :-)

http://theamazingking.com/bogota.html
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Schuyler » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:47 am

Excellent! My Monseratte review will follow this week!
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Rift » Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:30 am

Awesome reviews. I just recently placed an order for some Bogota's I absolutely can't wait to try them out!
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Legion303 » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:40 am

Very nice work. Ray, why aren't the new designs undercut on every peak? I was surprised to see straight metal there.

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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Eyes_Only » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:05 am

They are undercut, but looks like some of the tools overlap each other making it look that way I think.
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Eyes_Only » Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:07 am

nm, I take that back, looked a little further and some of them don't have undercuts.
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby scrimshady » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:21 am

how can i get hold of some of these bogota's??/
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Schuyler » Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:57 pm

scrimshady wrote:how can i get hold of some of these bogota's??/


http://serepick.com
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Eyes_Only » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:08 pm

Don't they ask you for locksmith or law enforcement credentials to order from their products page?
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby raimundo » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:30 pm

@ legion 303 and Eyes Only, the undercuts near the tip preserve the handcuff picking ability of the tip, and they give more skeletonization to keep the picktips from being stuck or jambed in the deepest part of the keyway, or beyond among locking dogs and springs and whatever,
the part nearer the handle are not undercut because the possiblity of a jamb up at that end of the keyway is low. Also, about the undercuts being made to dissapate stress build up on a point, this is not necessary when there is a thick part between two thinner parts, only when there is a thin part between two thicker parts,
That said, the design is in flux and I have begun to under cut slightly the pick with two peaks further back from the tip as there is a narrow area between them that could use the flex that it gets from a shallow undercut. Previously I considered that the two peaks along the shaft would act as one thick part between two thin shaft sections, but I am now going to make shallow undercuts on these peaks for the narrow area between them to have a bit of flex if necessary.

All of this is to releave stress build up on a narrow weak points, which is necessary if a lot of pressure is used. :?

Hope this explaination helps.
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby langly » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:45 am

@Eyes_Only, credentials are not required for purchase of Rai's tools, though stock is limited. There are a host of other tools available that require confirmation of .mil/.leo affiliation.

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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby dmux » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:52 pm

great coverage and pictures. that was probably the best lockpick review i had ever seen. broken down by lock and by pick

really nice work.
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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Legion303 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:49 pm

raimundo wrote:Hope this explaination helps.


It certainly did, thanks.

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Re: Bogota Review by the Numbers

Postby Eyes_Only » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:07 pm

JK's write up really fired me up about these bogotas again so I finally sat down and focused real hard in making my very own and this time it actually came out pretty well.

I doubt I shaped it in the same exact size as rai's (I used a 6-pin Kwikset plug as reference for spacing the peaks) but so far the performance of this tool design has been amazing. I usually hate raking but the bogota style pick makes it a real joy.
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