Squire Lp9 Padlock

[antaean3000]

I dont know how on earth my mate did it but he picked the squire lp9 with my tools. I left him alone in the room when i came back the lock was opened and my tools where moved. I had not left the keys around i keep them on me.

Made me more determined to try and pick it

[antaean3000]

After 10 mins of sitting down trying to pick the squire myself with a rake i managed to do it.

The lock picking Mit guide said to take the tention wrench put the pick in and get a feel for the pins then apply a little force to the tension wench
they said the more force you put on the wrench that you would have to use equal force to the pins to get them to lift.

I did this and after 10 mins the squire LP9 opened. I will keep doing this to the squire until i can get the hang of it and open it in less time. If i can get used to opening that
i will go on to the master lock.

I am pleased that i took the time to do some reading and i got the padlock open.
I just want to thank you guys for your help and advice and now i can learn and i can enjoy my new found hobby.

When i get good at it i might tell my friend to chain me up and use padlocks and i will bet him i can get out wiht my trust worthy picks.

[raimundo]

UH Oh, hes talking about a technique of force and counterforce, this will open some locks that have no security pins, but I think our impatient friend is starting to get a bad habit of forcing things. You need to lighten up, sand your picks smooth and sit in front of the tv with a favorite program to distract you while you simply explore the pin movements with a light tension, while not focusing on the picking, just lazily feeling pins and lifting them and learning anything they can tell you about pin states and security pins.
With out being frustrated and trying to pick the lock, you can probably have the lock simply come open under the lightest of pressure without hardly trying.

If you guys have experienced this, just jump in here and second me.

[femurat]

I second you, Ray: if I'm having an hard day I like to pick a difficult lock while I'm thinking about something else. The TV works well, but I prefer to listen to the music and keep my eyes closed, comfortably on my sofa

Cheers

[Solomon]

Most definately. If you rake the hell out of a lock like it owes you money, the pins will be oversetting all over the place, you won't have any idea what's going on in there and you won't learn anything either. This leads to frustration, and even heavier raking, which leads to broken picks and possibly damaged pins aswell. Raking isn't about sawing through the pins, it's about gliding over them gently with the pick at different angles. Like a butterfly.

Same goes for SPP... you need to feel everything gently and determine the state of each pin, see what effect different kinds of tension has on them. Like raimundo said, relaxation is very important. Instead of focusing on the actual opening of the lock, focus on what you're doing with your tools and what the lock is telling you. Then, the opening will come. Woo sa.

[antaean3000]

Forcing it is good if you needed to get it open fast because you lost your key.
If it locked myself out of the house i would rather force it then sit there and freeze.

Or if your car gets clamped you could [edit- NO you do Not say that here-unlisted]

[LocksmithArmy]

huh?!?

forcing just slows down the picking process bro... steady LIGHT tension is the key...

[antaean3000]

I dont mean force upon the tenstion wrench i just mean putting the rake in and out in and out.

I can rake the lock i can use the diamon tool to rake the lock and i have also picked it by pushing each pin in to place. Iv mastere the master lock with the above methods.

I find it works better if you put a few drops of oil in the lock otherwise sometimes it can be a bit.

Iv opened it so many times that the key would no longer open it so then i had to oil it and everything worked just fine even the key and the picks.

Iv ordered a jack knife and also some warded picks too.

[Solomon]

Forcing it is good if you needed to get it open fast because you lost your key.
If it locked myself out of the house i would rather force it then sit there and freeze.

Or if your car gets clamped you could pick that.

Being forceful and rough with the picks doesn't get anything done faster. It actually slows you down because you overset pins easily that way and have no control over what you're doing. You can also unset properly set pins, and damage them aswell. In an actual lockout situation you really should aim to be as gentle as possible because you will only make matters worse if you mess up your lock. Light raking is MUCH better... trust the people who have more experience.

And if your car gets clamped and your car mysteriously disappears leaving the clamp behind, they have your registration and will find you. HUGE fines... but I assume you were joking about that anyway.

I dont mean force upon the tenstion wrench i just mean putting the rake in and out in and out.

I can rake the lock i can use the diamon tool to rake the lock and i have also picked it by pushing each pin in to place. Iv mastere the master lock with the above methods.

I find it works better if you put a few drops of oil in the lock otherwise sometimes it can be a bit.

Iv opened it so many times that the key would no longer open it so then i had to oil it and everything worked just fine even the key and the picks.

Iv ordered a jack knife and also some warded picks too.

Doesn't matter if you're light with the tension or not, going heavy with the pick is just as bad. Even speed raking is gentle and somewhat controlled. Lubrication can help sometimes but if the lock hasn't been outdoors for years there is rarely any need for it. What kind of oil are you using?

And if your key stopped working because of picking that's a clear sign that you're doing something wrong. Not sure how oil fixed it, but in future you may not be so lucky! Go easy with those picks mate, it doesn't get the job done any faster and this isn't about speed anyway, it's about understanding what you're doing. Speed comes with practice.

The jackknife is a cool little tool, but most will tell you that they're not the best for beginners. I'd agree with this in part, since the jackknife was the first pick set I ordered and I had no luck with it... but if you hold it the right way you'll get just as much feedback as you would with a standard pick. If you keep one of your fingers on the blade of the pick it helps a lot. Again, it's all to do with practice.

[antaean3000]

I realize now i was being a bit forcefull. I think one of the locks i brought today there is something wrong with it. When i put the key in unlock it and remove the key put the tension wrench in the lock will turn without being picked and it will open.

Think its faulty or needs oil or something.

Iv been using olive oil. I oil my bike chain with that stuff too.

I have got the hang of picking with my south0rd set not just raking but using the hook type pick and i can open my padlock fast. I believe i could do this with the jack knife too. It cant be much harder i maybe wrong.

I hope im not wrong. The only lock i can pick is the squire and the master. Iv got a yale coming and i just would like to keep learning. When i get stressed or its been a long day i sit down with my locks and pick them it relaxes me.

[Solomon]

I realize now i was being a bit forcefull. I think one of the locks i brought today there is something wrong with it. When i put the key in unlock it and remove the key put the tension wrench in the lock will turn without being picked and it will open.

Think its faulty or needs oil or something.

What kind of lock is it? It'd need to be one really low quality lock, and the pin stacks would all have to be breaking very close to the shear line at their rest positions for something like that to happen. No way a little oil is gonna fix that.

[antaean3000]

Its a bigger squire they came in a pack of two with all keys alike so the 4 hours will open both locks. 1 of the locks worked like a charm but the other well as soon as i got it i put the key in it and it would not turn after some effort the key turned and then when i removed it you could turn the lock with just the tension wrench alone.

The prior squire locks where fine but not this one. Maybe its because they where a multipack and cheaper that way plys they where twice the size of the lp9. The only other locks they had where 50p locks and i know they would be easy to open without any picks at all Lol.

[antaean3000]

I got a SouthOrd Jacknife today and its great. i also got some handcufs to pick i can pick them when the first lock is on but if i activate the second lock by pusshing the pin in the side of the cuffs i just cant pick that.

[Solomon]

No such thing as can't. The double lock is only there to stop the cuffs from tightening and cutting off circulation. As such it stops shimming, but it has no effect on actual picking... you just need to turn the key one way before the other, surely you can figure out what to do with the picks.