Identifying a type of lock

[TurnerGOFP]

They can be easily broken into so I figured they wouldn't be considered advanced. Now that I'm reminded, is their a topic that lists everything advanced? It seems to me I always mention something advanced without knowing it and it would make life easier for a bunch of people if such a topic existed. I searched and found nothing.

[eppiotic]

We sell boxes like these by GE at our shop, the one thing we don't care fore is the combination sequence.

For instance say your code is '357' for simplicity's sake. You can press in 357 or 375 or 753 or any other combination of the numbers and open it.

[raimundo]

if thats true, you can then press numbers not related to the combination to make it necessary to reset before putting in the right combo.
any keyboard that does this allows shoulder surfers to set up the lock for a repeat of the combination when it is entered.

[TurnerGOFP]

Do you think the combo is always 3 digits or could it be like 4 or 5?

[unlisted]

I cannot remember, check the manu. website..


Please remember this lock is advanced so no discussion on bypassing please. (combination locks are considered advanced)

[TurnerGOFP]

Is their a thread mentioning everything advanced? If not could you by chance send me a PM because I am still vague on the term advanced here.

[unlisted]

Don't know if there is a list per say, but most high security items, combination items and stuff you would see for securing keys/ access cards, etc for urgent access -like - PD/fire/EMS/ utility service- is considered advanced.

Basically, if you see somethign being discussed one day, and the thread is just "gone" the next day, its most likely advanced, and someone said something they should not of. (bypass technique, etc)

So, with that all said, yes, anyone can talk about a high security lock in the normal forums, but nothing about how to access/bypass/open/DE/detailed inner workings, etc can be discussed in the open forums.


If you think that "rule" sucks, try enforcing it.. ugh.

[TurnerGOFP]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Rickthepick]

never seen one. Does the usual picking method apply to this type of digilock?

[Phatphish]

Do you think the combo is always 3 digits or could it be like 4 or 5?

Each button can be set "on" or "off" from in side the door, so basically any combination from 1 digit to 10 digits is possible (0 digits set to "on" means the lock will be in the open state if no numbers are depressed or the reset button has been used). There is no set order to the digits needing pressed, as long as they are the right ones.

[globallockytoo]

There is a method, known to a few tradespeople to decipher the existing combination. It is not a foolproof method and it does require some practise.

It is a similar method to opening/deciphering the "Codelocks" brand of pushbutton locks.

(I could tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you - )

[TurnerGOFP]

Where we talking?Leg?Arm?Hand?I think I'll take the chance.

[malakai78]

any luck finding any information on this lock?
Ive got one on my house that the previous tennants left behind. Ive tried shimming but its fair to say the latch wont budge without the correct code being put in. Ive deduced that being as the code can be entered in any sequence that finding the combination may take a little while but i found a website that calculates number sequences and permutations, according to the maths there can only be 10 one digit, 45 two digit, 120 three digit, 210 four digit, 252 five digit, 210 six digit and 120 seven digit, 45 eight digit and 10 nine digit combinations. Now assuming they followed the instructions to install the keysafe it recommends a five or six digit code and being as most people will follow this its probably safe to assume they did as told. I had a play this afternoon using a print out of the five digit codes and went through them, i thought it was going to take ages but it only took around twenty five minutes to hammer through them. Tomorrow im going to have a go with the six digit codes as i ran out of light. Hopefully ill hit it on one of them. If not then its a case of going through the rest of them.
When you actually think about this lock, it only really uses 1023 possible combinations. Its the time it takes to go through these combinations.
I was hoping to be able to find a way to feel the difference in the tension on the release mech when you press one of the buttons but if there is something there i couldnt feel it and theres no where to get a probe in to have a feel around. After the few things ive tried my guess is opening one of these is either trial and error with the codes or a blowtorch!

[unlisted]

After the few things ive tried my guess is opening one of these is either trial and error with the codes or a blowtorch!

pretty much it sadly, trial and error, blowtorch, LOCKSMITH, or BIG crowbar and hammertime.

[malakai78]

lol yup,

its nice and sunny today, going to go have a play with the last set of numbers to try. Im pretty sure ill get this off without having to damage it, then im going to try and disect the mechanism inside and see how it all ticks and if its possible to mechanically pick it. Ill post up photos when im done.