Shim making guide. with pictures

[ElAbogado]

and yet, if some design allows some form of bypass, that should be known to the members here, we should discover it and show it. We have no obligation to hide the flaws built into locks, so if a bypass is possible because of the weakness in design of the cylinder, the bolt etc, this should be exposed so that that lock can be improved or so that consumers can be aware of the need to replace some mechanism that does not perform as needed.

This is true, but why expose the innocent consumer for having a crappy lock guarding his possessions when we should be directing the constructive criticism directly to the lock manufacturers themselves, and allowing them time to correct any known defects.

This is one of those areas where I am somewhat conflicted with this forum (LP101). I would estimate that about 90%+ of the people have their most valuable possessions (their homes and what is inside) protected by a lock that costs about $10-$40. We openly talk about, educate, and trade tips about picking and shimming these lower priced locks, yet give far too much respect to advanced lock designs such as sidebars, disc detainers etc., labeling them as "advanced" and forbidding discussion about them here in the open forums. I have some really cool tips and techniques for defeating them, but must remain silent per the forum rules.

Why jeopardize the security of 90%+ of the population because they don't have a high security lock? In my day, it was forbidden for a locksmith to discuss any techniques of lock picking or entry with a non-locksmith. The code of honor forbade it, as public security was at risk. I understand that in the day of the internet with access so wide open, more and more secrets are exposed to the light of day, but this is not always a good thing.

My fear is that we could be educating someone who is dishonest and enabling them to do more criminal acts than they would otherwise have been able to do. I know of no way to prevent this that is simple. I also believe that most of the active members here are straight up guys who would not even consider such things, but the lurkers and google referrals are a different thing.

Now since I'm on a roll (read this "rant") let's discuss eBay... They forbid the sale of key machines (who knows why? I don't!) but yet allow the sale of code cut keys by number. California forbids the sale of code cut keys by anyone other than a licensed locksmith who must record the identity of the buyer, and have his signature on file, along with the lock/key information, which is available at any time to Law Enforcement. I know of no state or municipality that forbids the sale of key machines.

Ebay also allows the sale of safe manipulation books, although this is a direct violation of their own policies. I have had to threaten the individual employees who oversee auctions to kill the auctions with action against their own jobs for failure to abide by their own policies. This is ridiculous and should not happen. Lately I am so frustrated with those jackasses at eBay that I don't even bother anymore.

Thanks for letting me rant here. I'd love to hear some other perspectives on this matter.

El Abogado

[darklighterz7611]

Just to add my two cents,

If you use a Stanley blade/knife and gently score the can (divide can into quarters and draw then score the outer edge of each of the inner two quarters, so you basically end up with the two long strips as outlined in the pdf above) then apply gentle pressure (as if you were trying to indent the can) the aluminium will break and you will end up with a perfect cut along your score line (if the can refuses to break easy then score a little more though you don't need much)

I learnt this technique of working with pop cans when building a mini meth stove with one, it saves a lot of time and possible sliced fingers.

Sorry if it seems unclear, you could also just use a pair of scissors instead of the pinsnips tho they will go blunt eventually.

[darklighterz7611]

Sorry i didnt realise how many pages there were of replies so i gues i should add my thoughts on the above 'rant' aswell

Basically i am very interested in computer security and there is something what is known as full disclosure which means that when a flaw is discovered the complete details of this flaw and what it does is posted to both the manufacturer and is made accesable to the public. This is the case because contacting the manufacturer alone does nothing, they have no reason to spend money if they think there isn't a threat, and that always seems to be their viewpoint.... until its disclosed on the web then they panic and recall fearing public image damage to their brand name.

remember they are a business so will only part with their cash if they must (This is achieved by formulas i.e. cost of recalling the line and repair + redesigning vs cost of lawsuits&other problems)

Basically which situation is more preferable to you.....?

everybody having knowledge of the defects or just the skilled bad guys who use these, the skilled good guys who know about them and the manufacturers working out their formula.

I know this from personal experience, and let me assure you there is as much value and worth in computers and online as there is in the house. think about it, online banks paypal personal images etc.

I hope i may have shifted your viewpoint on this.

[ElAbogado]

Just to add my two cents,

I learnt this technique of working with pop cans when building a mini meth stove with one, it saves a lot of time and possible sliced fingers.

I see you bring a wealth of experience to this board...

[darklighterz7611]

Jack of all trades..... and you know what they say about them

Oh and i forgot to mention before you press in on the scribed line you need to make a small initial incision with the tip of the blade, this is what gets the can splitting (Like the initial cut needed to tear apart rags and clothes etc).

Also once you have the section you want if you again scribe the line you need grab either side of this line and bend in reversing directions using the line as a pivot the aluminium will split again with a perfect line. (though to be fair scissors would do fine here)

[unlisted]

...Were talking a camping meth (alchohol) stove for food and heat, correct?

[RevDisk]

Now since I'm on a roll (read this "rant") let's discuss eBay... They forbid the sale of key machines (who knows why? I don't!) but yet allow the sale of code cut keys by number. California forbids the sale of code cut keys by anyone other than a licensed locksmith who must record the identity of the buyer, and have his signature on file, along with the lock/key information, which is available at any time to Law Enforcement. I know of no state or municipality that forbids the sale of key machines.

Wow, I'm glad my state doesn't treat me like a criminal at all times. Do these records require a warrant for searches, or can they pursue them without cause?

...Were talking a camping meth (alchohol) stove for food and heat, correct?

Yes, it's a fairly popular item among ultralight hikers.

Example:
http://www.bussett.com/scouts/SodaCanStove.pdf

[unlisted]

...Were talking a camping meth (alchohol) stove for food and heat, correct?

Yes, it's a fairly popular item among ultralight hikers.
Example:
http://www.bussett.com/scouts/SodaCanStove.pdf

Thanks RevDisk, I didn't know you speak for darklighterz7611.

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[darklighterz7611]

Thanks RevDisk, I didn't know you speak for darklighterz7611.

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Must be one of my volunteer minions....now if only i could figure out how to get RevDisk to speak for me during my next lecture

But yeah thats basically it, tho the project i was involved in was much more intricately designed than that link, hence after about 20 cuts i became quite skilled with those pop cans.

[unlisted]

darklighterz7611 - what kind of stove are you talking about?


Some American members are rather concerned and want clarification to your reference.

[RevDisk]

Must be one of my volunteer minions....now if only i could figure out how to get RevDisk to speak for me during my next lecture

Sorry, only lectures I have prepared are "How to BBQ Hero's", "10 Habits of Highly Efficient Evil Minions" and "Preventive Maintenance of Secret Lairs".

- RD
Evil Minion #1568

[darklighterz7611]

Some American members are rather concerned and want clarification to your reference.[/quote]

Sorry thought i clarified in the last post, basically you were both on the money, its just a light weight camping stove that burns on alcohol or methylated spirit of meth for short i assume thats what you wanted clarification on.

10 Habits of Highly Efficient Evil Minions

Lol, I like it, tho for a second i though it said "10 Habits of Highly Efficient Evil Morons" i was like huh? lol

[quiksilver]

I don't know how I missed this...what a great idea...thank you

[TurnerGOFP]

Sorry but I thought this PDF guide was outdated so I had to remake it.
My Video
Instead of using soda cans I switched it up to bottles. Much more durable and lasts at least 3X more then soda cans. This also eliminates the problem with people cutting themselves.

[Idonotconsent]

Thank you for the post and .pdf unbreakable!

I actually made these about a year ago from plans on the internet. I've been wondering how to make the heavy duty kinds since then. Still, they're a nifty thing to have sometimes.