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by hazardousmaterial » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:07 am
Could someone photograph a set of disc tumbler picks alongside a ruler please. (I'd like to have a go at making a set) Thanks 
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by mh » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:18 pm
sounds like you might be interested in *rotating* disk tumbler locks; picking those is however considered advanced around here and therefore not part of what we discuss in the open sections of this forum.
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by Solomon » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:31 pm
If you mean disc detainer, it's not hard to make a pick for one if you have a lock in front of you. Well, as long as you know what you're supposed to be doing with it anyway.
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by raimundo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:26 pm
what they are saying is that disc tumbler locks are picked with common pin tumbler picks, and some like the snowman or ball type
disc detainer are different from common disc tumblers. also disc tumblers can be high security when used in a lock like the briggs and stratton sidebar or some other more modern types.
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by squelchtone » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:47 pm
hazardousmaterial wrote:Could someone photograph a set of disc tumbler picks alongside a ruler please. (I'd like to have a go at making a set) Thanks 
Since confusion abounds, could you help us and post a photo of the keyway or the lock you are hoping to pick? The guys are right, there are in fact disk tumblers (wafer tumblers) such as found on cheap toolbox locks or file cabinets, and then there are the disc detainer style locks such as Abloy. Which are you looking to pick? Thanks Squelchtone
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by hazardousmaterial » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:42 am
OK, confusion appreciated so a picture should have clarified things. BUT AS ALL THINGS EASY TO DO INVARIBLY AREN'T, I'm getting a red message coming up saying that "Sorry, the board attachment quota has been reached." every time I try to upload the pic even though the picture is only 4.11kb So, this is a link to a picture of the picks from a random site. http://www.lockpickshop.com/DSS-4.html?kbid=54644As for the lock, I've been given a few display cases, no keys of course, all fitted with double bitted wafers.
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by pjzstones » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:28 pm
those are for double side wafer locks. you don't need them to pick a double sided wafer lock though. you can use standard picks, you just have to pick one side at a time.
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by hazardousmaterial » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:10 pm
pjzstones. Yep, I appreciate that I can use standard pick shapes and have done but - - - - That's a typical commercial set I'm trying to size so i can make my own set. Why do I want to make them as they are cheap to buy? 1) Just for the mildly eccentric pleasure of making a set to add to my toolkit which so far only contains tools I've made myself. 2) I've not used them before. Cheers Paul
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by raimundo » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:45 pm
those picks you show are really junk, they are only suited for one type of lock, called chicago and sometimes appearing on older american padlocks, they can be picked easily with ordinary picks and probably faster than using those picks shown.
you put a tensor in the middle of the keyway and with a thin shafted diamond pick just give a quick strok to one side of the keyway then the other, if it dosent open right then a third stroke in the first side you stroked will open it.
This type of lock has a double sided key and about eight wafer tumblers but all the tumblers are on one spring.
when you learn how to pick that kind of lock with a halfdiamond, you will never have any trouble opening it again.
there are many more disc or wafer tumbler locks and these picks do not address them.
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by pjzstones » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:23 pm
raimundo wrote:those picks you show are really junk, they are only suited for one type of lock, called chicago and sometimes appearing on older american padlocks, they can be picked easily with ordinary picks and probably faster than using those picks shown.
you put a tensor in the middle of the keyway and with a thin shafted diamond pick just give a quick strok to one side of the keyway then the other, if it dosent open right then a third stroke in the first side you stroked will open it.
This type of lock has a double sided key and about eight wafer tumblers but all the tumblers are on one spring.
when you learn how to pick that kind of lock with a halfdiamond, you will never have any trouble opening it again.
there are many more disc or wafer tumbler locks and these picks do not address them.
+1 these picks are very limited in ability. they're really hit or miss, with mostly luck. it's better to rely on skill.
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