Weiser - is there any worse lock out there ?

[vtzeeprr10]

In my opinion , there isn't , these locks are the worst ones I ever seen my life , especially the one I played with today
It was entrance locking knob with 5 pin cylinder
I accidentally picked this one without even trying , but when you actually install it on the door ,the tolerances are so nasty it actually make picking more difficult
You still pick this trash within seconds , but you need to apply so much tension you might break your tension wrench

[FarmerFreak]

Of course there are crappier locks out there. Say it with me now, "Schlage Securekey." It's known to fail with regular use. Inexperienced pickers can get their picks into the springs, which for some reason tends to causes problems...

As for Weiser locks. They use to be better, but even now they are far from the worst lock out there. I'm sure you could find a cheap (probably Chinese) imitation of the Weiser lock if you really tried.

[vtzeeprr10]

I'm sure you could find a cheap (probably Chinese) imitation of the Weiser lock if you really tried.

I'm not so sure at all man , I had some of the finest Chinese garbage such as "Defiant" and other similar garbage , and they all felt like an ASSA comparing to this Weiser .
The fit and tolerances on this Mexican Weiser knob are far worse then any Chinese garbage I ever played with .

As for the Securekey mechanism , never played with this one but I'm aware they are crap and have a terrible reputation as you say , but as far as the actual lock body construction , Schlage are far more solid and durable then Weiser , both the deadbolts and knobs , it's not even close .

[wa1ker00]

The Schlage Securakey product is being discontinued. As soon as it sells out in stores it will be replaced with standard pin/tumbler locks. Apparently they finally got the idea that their product wasn't reliable or durable.

As for a 'worse' lock than Weisers, keep your eye out for the 'contractor specials' from companies like Design Hardware or other no name companies that they have 'keyed' at the factory. I had one come through the shop that was supposed to be masterkeyed to a property. The master key didn't work, but almost anything else did. When I took that cylinder apart there were 14 master pins in 5 chambers. 14!!!! And that doesn't include the 1-2 .015 pins I found between the plug and the housing. Excellent quality workmanship if you know what I mean.

[squelchtone]

The Schlage Securakey product is being discontinued. As soon as it sells out in stores it will be replaced with standard pin/tumbler locks. Apparently they finally got the idea that their product wasn't reliable or durable.

Kwikset won the lawsuit, so they have to stop selling them.

Squelchtone

[wa1ker00]

The Schlage Securakey product is being discontinued. As soon as it sells out in stores it will be replaced with standard pin/tumbler locks. Apparently they finally got the idea that their product wasn't reliable or durable.

Kwikset won the lawsuit, so they have to stop selling them.

Squelchtone

Even better, I've never been a huge Schlage fan.

[LexDevil]

The worst lock brand that I have ever came across are Chinese made 'JAK' padlocks.

I bought two of these from a local hardware shop one day, a large and a medium one. The large one opened with just the tension wrench inserted, and then, with anything that would fit in the key way, small coins, paper clip, cardboard etc. I naturally took this lock back to the shop and had it replaced... with one of equal quality (or lack of). After taking the second one back and suggesting that the hardware shop return the locks to their supplier (which they did not, they still sell them to this day) they viewed me as somewhat of an annoyance and suggested that I 'spend some more money on a better lock'. They also said that the sight of the padlock itself should be deterrent enough to stop people from breaking in and implied that the fact the lock was useless did not matter!

Is it too much to ask that if I purchase a lock REGARDLESS of price, that it actually functions properly? Also, if it is commonly known that the lock is a heap of steaming cow manure, then the sight of the padlock will obviously NOT be a deterrent as anyone who has purchased and then returned one of these locks will know how easy it is to open with almost anything you have to hand.

The medium 'JAK' padlock was also terrible, could be raked open first time every time and the bitting was fully linear, thus it could be opened by moving the pick to the correct height/angle and applying tension. After about 10 openings the lock refused to work anymore with or without key.

I goggled the brand to try and find out who exactly was responsible for these awful locks but had no success in finding out anything about them. Good old fashioned Chinese quality control for you.

[cledry]

The Schlage Securakey product is being discontinued. As soon as it sells out in stores it will be replaced with standard pin/tumbler locks. Apparently they finally got the idea that their product wasn't reliable or durable.

Kwikset won the lawsuit, so they have to stop selling them.

Squelchtone

Even better, I've never been a huge Schlage fan.

Just curious why you have never been a "Schlage fan"?

[wa1ker00]

Poor quality control on their products as well as constantly changing designs for some of their inner parts makes me shy away from them.

[FarmerFreak]

Poor quality control

I can vouch for that. In the past I've had more issues with factory Schlage keys than Jet or Ilco keys. And when they redesign locks, it's not always a good thing. Securekey being a prime example. Also, when the first redesigned their heavy duty grade 1 levers. They kept malfunctioning under regular use, but supposedly they were better?!

I do like a lot of Schlage products, as a lot of their locks are good. But some of them do have issues.

[vtzeeprr10]

I can say Schlage are pretty darn good provided you pay the right price
You can get Primus for dirt cheap , and it's a legitimate high security cylinder , more legitimate then most of the Medecos and Multlocks out there that cost 5 times as much

[FarmerFreak]

I think we've successfully derailed this thread..

You can get Primus for dirt cheap , and it's a legitimate high security cylinder , more legitimate then most of the Medecos and Multlocks out there that cost 5 times as much

I can't agree with this. Maybe, just maybe I'm an anomaly, but Schlage Primus is easier to pick than Medeco or Multilock. (Don't believe me? Whistles.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bos7zWFTPaI)

If you wanted a pick resistant cylinder for cheap. I would look into Marks Hi-security. Because they use security pins similar to Assa's older designs. Plain and simply it's on another level than Primus and it's lack of security pins.

[wa1ker00]

I think trying to compare Schlage's residential hardware with their high security hardware isn't really an accurate gauge for the company as a whole. Looking as Primus or Everest you can hardly believe that same company makes such sloppy hardware to sell in big box stores.

[cledry]

Poor quality control on their products as well as constantly changing designs for some of their inner parts makes me shy away from them.

I guess you are mostly referring to their residential lines which are really not that good. The commercial Schlage is a pretty good lock. Most of the faults I saw in the field with Grade 1 levers was due to incorrect installation. Either the installer didn't centre the lock properly or they tightened the screws as well as the lock ring. The idea is to tighten the screws, then the lock ring then slightly loosen the screws, but most installers don't do this. I think the Rhodes problem was quickly resolved, but I do recall there being a problem when they first came out. Schlage has very good machining which means I can take a half a dozen locks apart, and slide the plugs into any cylinder and they work as designed. Don't try that with Sargent, Arrow, Kwikset, the new Yale, Falcon, Dorma. We've got a couple of buildings using the same A-line grade 2 knobs that were installed in the early 1960s. These are so old they don't even come apart with a poke hole, they have a shutter that must be rotated in the back before the lock can be slid off of the latch. These are in use in a commercial environment so get used constantly all day long.