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by ToBetterSecurity » Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:34 am
I have recently moved my office into a shared building and am I'm rather security conscious as the doors are glass and everyone can see my possessions. How secure is this lock, could it be tampered/opened without my knowing? The security guard said this was a European Mul-t-lock dimplepin with a thumb turn and that I had nothing to worry about, but I thought I'd ask the experts as it looks a little insubstantial to me! Many thanks for your time!
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by Bob Jim Bob » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:42 am
Could you post a photo?
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by 2octops » Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:38 pm
Be more concerned about all of the glass than someone picking the lock.
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by ToBetterSecurity » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:38 pm
I have tried to upload a photo, sadly this error message comes up: 'Could not upload attachment to ./files/114895_22...' Sorry!
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by Bob Jim Bob » Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:08 pm
Go to tinypic.com to upload a photo
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by ToBetterSecurity » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:14 am
Thanks for the great idea, here's the photo:  Many thanks for your help!
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by FarmerFreak » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:55 am
As far as the lock is concerned I'd agree with the security guard. Other than that, what he said. 2octops wrote:Be more concerned about all of the glass than someone picking the lock.
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by mech » Sat May 05, 2012 6:19 am
depends on what mul-t-lock it is, a classic or garrison you can pick in under a minute. a mt5 / mt5+ would offer good pick resistance.
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by mech » Sat May 05, 2012 6:23 am
p.s you have a huge gap between the doors and also have too much lock hanging out of the handle 
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by mhole » Sun May 06, 2012 5:17 am
mech wrote:p.s you have a huge gap between the doors and also have too much lock hanging out of the handle 
The gap is standard for an apg door, and the cylinder is flush with the escutcheon, as is standard on this type of patch lock. The cylinder is also clearly not an MT5, as it has a bevelled edge and flat face. An MT5 would have a domed face.
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by mech » Sun May 06, 2012 7:52 pm
thats what i said, get a mt5 instead, the lock is hanging out to much look at the photo again. he asked about security so i answer'd
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by mhole » Mon May 07, 2012 12:51 am
That cylinder is protruding at most 2mm past the face of the escutcheon. This is typical of how much a 30/30 euro will protrude from a dorma style patch lock on an APG door, and you can't improve on it since the cylinder is not available any shorter.
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by Solomon » Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:49 am
mech wrote:depends on what mul-t-lock it is, a classic or garrison you can pick in under a minute. a mt5 / mt5+ would offer good pick resistance.
I'd agree with you on the garrison, those are easy as pie but not the classic! I've opened a few interactives before but I've never managed any of the classics I have. Of course that's just me, there are guys who can open them like nothing but the average guy isn't gonna get into that by picking it. If they had the dedicated tool for that configuration it'd be a different story, but I can't see someone shelling out for one of those and practicing with it for a while just to get into some guys office. Aaaanyway... from the pic I'd say it's an interactive, the lack of warding is a dead giveaway. Not "hard", but they are tricky in my opinion. Certainly not something I'd pick by choice if I had any other options. Gotta agree with the others on the glass... although this is an office building with a security guard so realistically nobody is gonna smash their way in. Not during the day at least. If someone decides to break in at night they're gonna get in regardless, but if you're concerned about someone getting in covertly then realistically I wouldn't say there's a probem. It'd take a while to pick and the keys can't be copied, so no worries. Someone could use a clamshell and cast a key from that but considering the interactive floating pin, it's not quite as simple as that. Basically if someone gets into your office without you knowing, that's one bad dude. 
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by snader » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:56 pm
I suppose it's all relative,
I'd say it's safer than a 20 euro DIY lock but not as safe as a high security cylinder. As far as the classic, interactive and garrison are concerned, I have all the dedicated picks for them and pick them as a hobby quite a bit. According to a locksmith i know all three are bumpable (yes even the interactive he says).
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by globallockytoo » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:47 am
use [edited to remove bypass methods] to gain entry with no damage and no lockpicking (sorry.....but it's another POS perception of security) The only reason there is a cylinder on that door is for key control....not security.
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