new 3g114e

[falcon_9]

whats the diff between the old 114 and the new one?

[acl]

You could probably find more detailed info on this if you did a search but the E is pretty much the same looking from outside but inside youll find differnt levers to the 114.Open ended. and the bolt is diffent too.
I dont actually have a 114 pin and cam but should still open the E,Terry Staddons pick also.Chris also makes a curtain pick for these.Lastly if you really have to your drill points going to be different aswell.
Andy

[Shrub]

Andy,

Ive got a little mixed up, Is it the 'rk' that has the new shaped key or is it this 'e' or is it somthing totaly differant,

I also need to get a load of blanks for the new keyway are they redily avaible yet to your knowledge, whenever i ask sks they dont know what im on about (nothing unusual there then )

[EvoRed]

The RK is the one with the restricted key. The 'E' is just for European requirements which stipulate a longer bolt, hence different open ended levers.

You can still pick the 114E with the Safeventures pin and cam. The only difference is the number 1 and 2 levers now leave a mark on the impression so you can only limit your options down to levers 1-5 or 6-8.

[EvoRed]

Forgot to add, to ID, turn the curtain 90 degrees and the 114 will have 2mm of daylight at the bottom while the 'E' will have 6mm+.

Also you can slide an L shaped wire along the bottom of the keyway and after 0.5mm the wire will slip down the inside and hit a ledge about 2mm down while on the non-E the wire will slide about 2mm along the bottom of the keyway before dropping a few mm to the bottom of the case as there's no ledge.

[toomush2drink]

Just to add the 2mm and 6 mm id is quite hard when the hall way is dark and the escutcheon is acrss the keyhole.

[Shrub]

Thanks for that evored

[capt.dunc]

you can use a straight piece of wire to feel the difference between the 2 and 6mm gaps with ease if it's dark.

[Shrub]

Would that be a 2mm wire or a 6mm wire by any chance

[capt.dunc]

if it's 6mm diameter i'd generally consider it rod not wire

[Shrub]

I know i was only winding you up

If you carry a set of mortice gauge keys you could just use the 5G one, i know its .5mm smaller but it certainly wouldnt go through a 2mm gap.

[pinky]

though if using the pin and cam pick, it makes a slight difference on the initial impression, but defeats the lock almost as simply as the non E lock.

also give chris belchers E series curtain pick a shot on it, as it picks far easier than the non E 114 with a curtain pick.

Drillers beware, a totaly different drill point , unless of course you use a 32mm drill bit, then no difference !!!

[acl]

Pinky 32mm are you serious what am i supposed to see in a hole that small?

[capt.dunc]

if you can get a mirror through to the inside, and look through the hole carefully, you may be able to see a picture of a cowboy

[Mad Mick]

^^LMAO