Buying security pins

[dlink]

Hey all, today i tryed to buy some secuirty pins to swap from out the ones that came with a schlage deadbolt.
Two locksmiths gave the impression that they knew nothing about what they were or didn't won't to tell me, and one went as far to say instead of picking the lock for your home made safe you could just drill it out.
Am i going about it the wrong way, and can you buy spool or serrated pins for that type of lock.
Should I buy one that as them in there and what price range US$ would they be

Cheers for you help.

[Squelchtone]

They sell in a pack of 50 or 100 from what I remember and are made by LAB, so you know they're the best.

http://www.clksupplies.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22_227&products_id=1330

When I first saw that page I thought, wow $3.50 per pin? but I took a chance and a big bag of them arrived. =)

I love happy endings,

Squelchtone

ps. don't worry about those locksmiths. Mine is 100% confident that a spool pin is the exact same thing as mushroom pin in appearance, and he's a factory trained Medeco locksmith. go figure.

[cppdungeon]

O hai there, im hijacking this thread...Does CLK sell to non-lockies?

--Cpp

[Squelchtone]

O hai there, im hijacking this thread...Does CLK sell to non-lockies?

--Cpp

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yes. they're security pins, what could go wrong?

as far as other stuff they sell, Im not sure, but I bet your VISA number is more important than your ALOA number.

Squelchtone

[datagram]

Something that might be more useful than buying a bag of pins would be to buy another lock that has the type of security pins you want. This gets you the pins you want, and has the added benefit of giving you another lock to pick!

dg

[SsBloodY]

Something that might be more useful than buying a bag of pins would be to buy another lock that has the type of security pins you want. This gets you the pins you want, and has the added benefit of giving you another lock to pick!

dg

Are you sure because I am wondering shall I buy more locks or just buy lots of different pins and repin one lock over and over.

[Jaakko]

I would advice buying the pinning kit, this way you get more different "locks" than buying a same type of cylinder.

[dlink]

Something that might be more useful than buying a bag of pins would be to buy another lock that has the type of security pins you want. This gets you the pins you want, and has the added benefit of giving you another lock to pick!

What type of lock would have security pins in it,but not to hard to pick.

I would advice buying the pinning kit, this way you get more different "locks" than buying a same type of cylinder.

Would most locksmiths have that, or beable to order it, and would the sell it to me without thinking i'am a buglar

cheers

[Jaakko]

I would advice buying the pinning kit, this way you get more different "locks" than buying a same type of cylinder.

Would most locksmiths have that, or beable to order it, and would the sell it to me without thinking i'am a buglar

Order online from the link previously mentioned, they are a reliable seller and will sell those pins no questions asked.

I'm fairly sure that the locksmith would over charge you with some ridiculous amount or would not sell/order any.

I don't see how buying security products (pins in this case) is a tell tale of a burglar...

[dlink]

Order online from the link previously mentioned, they are a reliable seller and will sell those pins no questions asked.

I'm fairly sure that the locksmith would over charge you with some ridiculous amount or would not sell/order any.

I don't see how buying security products (pins in this case) is a tell tale of a burglar...

I'll get them of that site cheers.Its proable my parnioa but one of the lockies was going on about picking and drilling it just doesn't raise faith in on the topic

[Raymond]

Hello Dink,
It is very easy to put one of your old top pins in the chuck of your drill and gently shape it with a needle file. The file can be triangular, square, or even curved. You can make what ever you want on the cheap.

[ToolyMcgee]

Seriously Raymond? That sounds alot like doing it the hard way I'm a big fan of doing things on the cheap, but I've never turned my own spool pins with a power drill. I dunno though, the scale seems rediculous, but the slow and meticulous theory sounds solid enough for brass pins anyway. I've got enough confidence in my needle files I think I'll give it a try just to see what "quality" of spool pin I might be able to make.

Just when you think you've heard it all...

-Mcgee

[Raymond]

Howdy ToolyMcGee,
On a commercial basis I would not even consider making my own pins. I currently have available new security pins from Medeco, Keymark, Best, Russwin, Assa, Lab, and a few old Yale, plus take-outs from many other random brands. However, many non-locksmiths or beginners repeatedly have asked where to get only a few security pins. I offer this solution of making your own to establish that it can be done, can be a little bit of fun, and will supply a conveniently small number of pins to anyone that wants them. It also allows a person to experiment with the design to determine which style they like the best and which they think will provide them the greatest sport in picking. I admit I have made my own security pins several times but it was all for fun or during an inventive mood. I have a ball end form tool that can be used on a lathe to make real bottom pins. I haven't used it in several years when I needed 1/8 diameter pins. I once made my own set of drill resistant top pins by using high-speed steel drill bits and cut them with abraisive stones. A Dremel with a collet also works well when you have to have something just a special size. Anyway, most of us are here to have fun doing this. So carry on and enjoy the sport.

[ToolyMcgee]

Well, I got caught up, and you beat me to the punch Raymond. I wasn't being sarcastic about trying this out on brass pins. I did however experience trouble right off the bat. None of my drill chucks would evenly hold a pin, so I had to use my dremel (nothing you didn't already know ). It works perfectly for holding pins, but drivers are kinda dicey. So, I used key pins for the extra grip, then filed them down to driver size after I had them cut.

It worked as easy as you said. I spent most of the afternoon making different pins and picking on my favourite locks. I got my skull bashed in by my easy locks full of homemade hybrid security pins. The only other thing I would add to the equation beside a rotary tool is magnification. I can't see accurately what's going on without it. Here's the first test pin I made.

From the top down flat file, knife file, square file (needles). Two different sizes of serration and a mushroom. It was that easy to control.

I think this method can produce a locks worth of spools in less than an hour for any two thumb bum with a collet and a few extra pins. Definately a creative personal flare to a favourite lock for an extra challenge. It's a great idea I should never have made light of, but I couldn't help myself. The scale just seemed so fantastic to me. As a DIY fanatic I'm ecstatic you shared it. It's sure to bring me many continuous hours of gloriously frustrated picking on locks I have already conquered, in addition to the creation of my own security drivers. Truely a great post.

-T'Mcgee

[dlink]

Hello Dink,
It is very easy to put one of your old top pins in the chuck of your drill and gently shape it with a needle file. The file can be triangular, square, or even curved. You can make what ever you want on the cheap.

I took one of the pins out and tryed making a serrated pin. It now makes sense what you lot say about using light tension.
And i didn't have to spend anything