what do you think about squire locks?

[MERTON]

the ones form the u.k. (i'll look for a link later)?

[_Ethereal_]

there are many types of squire padlocks, which one are you inquiring about?

[DeadlyHunter]

do you have a picture of said locks?

[_Ethereal_]

Squire locks are big beasts. they look good, except the brass ones.

use your google fu.

[toomush2drink]

Some are good but others not so good. A squire stronghold for example can take a euro cylinder of your choosing so you can key alike etc. but it also means you can fit a good cylinder or bad one.

[MERTON]

http://almax-security-chains.co.uk/shop/

the ones use here.

nd where else would i find info on lock quality?

[MrB]

I think there are several organisations in Europe that test and rate locks and chains for security, especially bicycle locks, not sure about motorcycle locks. Sorry I don't remember the names or details right now. Do some internet searching and you should come up with something.

Squire is a reputable brand. I suspect that their top of the line products are pretty secure.

[toomush2drink]

Squire SS65CS 6 pin padlock

FEATURES
 Closed shackle.
 Solid hardened steel body.
 Hardened boron alloy steel shackle.
 Resistant to picking, drilling, sawing and other
forms of attack.
 Key withdrawal only when locked.
 Rekeyable.
 Supplied c/w rubber boot and dust cover.
 Also stocked as body only to accept Evva KIK1 and
euro cylinders.

This is straight from my aldridge catalogue. What concerns me is how they do their deals on that site with a padlock that retails at £78.30 plus vat (£92) . Does this mean the chain is cheap ?

[MrB]

Subtract the cost of the SS65CS and they are charging about £60 for 1.5 m of chain. Does that make the chain cheap? I don't know how much security chain should cost.

[toomush2drink]

Which is most likely to give first, the chain or the padlock ? Which is the biggest target to attack ?

[MrB]

You know, I'm not sure I could say, and I don't have personal experience to go by.

Chain is much simpler than a lock. Locks are complex, have many moving parts and far more potential weaknesses. So strength for strength, I would expect a given strength chain to be cheaper than a given strength lock. But of course, there is a lot more chain than lock, so that pushes the balance the other way.

So really, I don't know. If I paid £60 for four feet of chain, I would expect it to be pretty good chain. But £90 for a padlock doesn't seem that cheap either.

It seems like you are saying the chain might be the weakest link here. Can you be less cryptic? How much should you pay for chain that can withstand hydraulic cutters for example?

[MrB]

I forgot to mention that you need to chain a bike to some fixed object. If you make the chain and lock strong enough, the fixed object becomes the weakest link. I think there are few fixed objects that won't easily be defeated by an angle grinder or electric saw? (Perhaps a lamp post...?)

[toomush2drink]

My point is that the padlocks i way dearer than the chain but i would expect them to be equal to balance the product. Motorcycle thieves dont care anyway over here and would just put the bike in a van to deal with the chain later in a garage somewhere. My friends bike got nicked in 6 mins flat,and was all caught on camera (thats how i know how long it took). They even stopped halfway through to move their van to allow a car past.

[quicklocks]

[_Ethereal_]

I forgot to mention that you need to chain a bike to some fixed object. If you make the chain and lock strong enough, the fixed object becomes the weakest link. I think there are few fixed objects that won't easily be defeated by an angle grinder or electric saw? (Perhaps a lamp post...?)

yes, they are good for motor bikes, btw i wouldn't recommend chaining the bikes front wheel, it's easy to cut the brake cable and pull of the wheel
but it is a lot harder to pull of the back wheel due to the chain etc.

edit (its funny how i can edit in everyone elses threads but not mine..)

I also recommend wraping the chain ( if chaining front )
around and throught the forks.