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Spools in Defiant locks

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Spools in Defiant locks

Postby linty » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:02 pm

Not sure if these are sold outside of canada, but they are a very cheap kwikset knockoff, i noticed the other day while doing a pick open and rekey that the double-sided deadbolt which was definitely defiant, and the entrance, which i think was also defiant all had exactly one spool pin in the third chamber. It still took me less than 5 seconds to rake the entrance open, but I found this interesting.

also, the entrance was the lock he was using for security, it was one of the poorly designed ones where you don't even need a key to take the knob off on the outside, and yet they are adding protection against picking?
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Postby SlingsVaqueros » Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:44 pm

I have rekeyed a lot of Defiants and I have found that some have the spool and some don't, it almost seems random. I picked up a defiant deadbolt recently to mess with and it has not spools. Those things are junk. Home Depot sells them. You can buy a KIK or deadbolt for about $10 USD.
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Postby Wolfe » Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:22 am

Ya they sell defiant locks in the US, like Slings said home depot is one of thier vendors.
Out of hundreds of these locks ive never seen a single security pin in them but maybe is different here in the states. Was it a new lock?
They are by far one of the sleziest manufactured locks in existance today. You can probably pick them with deli meat.
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Postby jimb » Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:34 am

Wolfe wrote: You can probably pick them with deli meat.

I agree, I'm a happy camper when I have a lockout call and find it a Defiant on the door. When I pick it in less than a minute, usually just a few seconds I always make the comment that it wasn't very defiant. I think this lock is much easier to pick than most kwiksets.
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Postby SlingsVaqueros » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:23 am

Wolfe wrote:They are by far one of the sleziest manufactured locks in existance today. You can probably pick them with deli meat.

I was thinking play-doh, but that's just about right. Just don't put too much tension on the torque wrench, or you may break the lock...
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Postby Eyes_Only » Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:01 am

I just love how the locksport community worldwide has humiliated these cheap lock manufacturers who have lied to the consumers for decades. :D
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Postby cjames73 » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:05 pm

Wolfe wrote:They are by far one of the sleziest manufactured locks in existance today. You can probably pick them with deli meat.

living in the uk ive never run into any Defiant locks. sound like fun though :lol: i'll take a look on ebay..........
on the topic of opening locks with strange items, i popped a wheel clamp lock with a folded 2 inch piece of paper!(may have been made by defiant.) :P
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Postby Mr. Glass » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:22 am

:-D I'll always remember the day I walked into Wal-Mart and discovered that there was actually a knockoff of kwikset!
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Postby nothumbs » Tue May 22, 2007 6:16 am

Picked one up today at the local hardware recycle center. Can't wait to get it home and pick it. One dollar for the lock. Picked up a couple of padlocks (no keys, but that's the point) at the same time, also one dollar each. Love the low cost of used technology.
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Postby kg4boj » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:54 pm

Defiant? hah.... I have NO trouble picking them, I have yet to rekey one that had mushroom pins though... E-Z set is another one to look out for, I usually pick those things very quickly, if a customer wants to rekey that junk I put a very very long pin in the front, then a pin thats 5 cuts deeper than that. then at the very back of the lock I put another very long pin in, makes them somewhat more secure.... I should let you know I have a set of tryout keys for EZ set encompassing about 30 keys, in this region that covers about 95% of the factory keyed locksets.
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Postby digital_blue » Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:12 pm

If I'm not mistaken (and I might be), Home Depot is the *only* vendor of Defiant brand locks. It is my understanding that "Defiant" is just a re-branding of Kwikset specifically for Home Depot.
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Postby agb1331 » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:31 am

I run across Defiant brand alot while im working. Iv'e noticed that they are used on exterior gates and apartment courtways for the most part.

It's not uncommon to find locals, residents or tenants who carry broken tipped pocketknives or filed down screwdrivers to gain entry.

Area stores had offered free lock installation with purchase of 6 ft. security gate purchase.

Little did the consumer know that the free lock was a Defiant.
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Postby cryptonic » Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:29 am

jimb wrote:
Wolfe wrote: You can probably pick them with deli meat.

i got some salami for all those who want to buy a salami pick!
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Postby ObiWonShinobi » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:34 am

I'll order a few.... whats the freshness date?
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