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frequency controlled electronic pick gun

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frequency controlled electronic pick gun

Postby kendale » 7 Jul 2004 15:50

http://www.multipick-service.de/index2.html

Has anybody tried this new pick gun which is guaranteed to open any cylinder, you set the frequency on the control box and open the lock in seconds, I know its about £900 but if it works i would be interested to know from anybody that has this tool.
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Postby plot » 7 Jul 2004 18:06

i dont see how frequency would effect anything...
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Postby pinky » 7 Jul 2004 18:11

go to www.multipick-service.net , you will see the tool and the principle behind it.
it has a high frequency range, bouncing pins by sonic vibration to 44000 vibrations per minute.

we didnt believe it, so contacted them, they state, bring as many pin cylinders as you like regardless of make and they will non destructively open them in seconds, cant argue with that.
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Postby Mad Mick » 7 Jul 2004 18:28

The link didn't work for me....

i dont see how frequency would effect anything...


Could be wrong here, but I think the momentary pause between the bouncing operations is the key (bad pun I know) to opening the lock. A burst followed by a brief pause (ms), is more likely to find the gap between the pins at the shear line, than a constant vibration.....with a constant vibration, the key pins can end up being shot past the shear line as the drivers are still coming back down.
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Postby pinky » 8 Jul 2004 12:09

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video clip

Postby kendale » 8 Jul 2004 12:25

Video-Clip - 150 Sec..
Think this link will work if not its on the link above for multipick
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video clip link for multipick

Postby kendale » 8 Jul 2004 12:27

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Postby Guitar_J » 8 Jul 2004 18:01

What kind of lock is that he's working on in the video? looks neat...

And did the intro to the video seem like the opening to some cheesy 80s Magnum PI ripoff?
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pick gun

Postby pinky » 8 Jul 2004 18:06

phone them, they state bring all and any pin cylinder you like and they will prove how easy and effective this tool is.

if you can get to germany its worthwhile as you attend the seminar too, they train you on all tools that they make and sell , all hands on and guaranteed, a bold statement to make about any pick.
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Postby Varjeal » 8 Jul 2004 18:37

I think for 1800 Canadian they'd have to fly me there... :shock: Hehehe...cool video, though I didn't see any Medeco's or Primus in their picking demonstration.
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Postby Romstar » 8 Jul 2004 19:09

Varjeal wrote:I think for 1800 Canadian they'd have to fly me there... :shock: Hehehe...cool video, though I didn't see any Medeco's or Primus in their picking demonstration.


Of course not. The Medeco requires a bit more finesse and the Primus is a completely different animal.

I have a gun that will pick Medeco, but you have to practice with it. It also uses a pulsed technique.

I haven't really tried to do anything about the Primus or Bi-Lock yet, but I think that might be something to do next. As soon as I get this other project off my bench.

Aditionally, all, and I do MEAN all electric pick guns cause damage to the pins and plug. As a matter of fact, a manual gun will cause damage. So, if these tools are damaging, what do you think the multi-pink electric pick is doing? The thing sounded more like a buzz saw than a pick. I certainly hope it was just an effect of the recording.

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Postby PickPick » 9 Jul 2004 8:17

No, it wasn't just a sound effect. We (the SSDeV) did a joint project with some forensic scientists from the police where we opened the locks and they examined the locks for traces afterwards, partly to take a look at the marks that new tools like the multipick or foil impressioning keys leave and partly to train their own examiners to look for the classic techniques.
Anyway, the marks left by the multipick were, ehm... let's say remarkable.
The whole keyway was heavily scratched, the tips of some pins were heavily deformed and worst of all the shape of the keyway was scratched into the back of the lock, it looked like someone had grinded an image of the keyway onto the metall.

But apart from the fact that you might not call this non-destructive anymore, it's a very effective tool. I don't have one as it's far too expensive for a miserable little student like myself :( but I've seen the old version without the digital frequency controler as well as the new version in action and it does its job. The old version sometimes had the problem that it was too fast and powerful for cheaper locks, because these used cheap springs which just couldn't handle the frequency (means no opening, they didn't break).

Anyway, I hate people who use this pick at competitions since you really can't concentrate because of the noise.
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