UPVC electric release?

by **gareth** » 12 Dec 2005 12:31

Hi Lads,

I'm fitting an intercom system with electric release to a UPVC porch on Tuesday and just need some advice on wiring the thing up to make it work. It's a SRS 2-way, I've got an electric release coming, will there be many e/r's on the market for UPVC doors are are they pretty generic? I am going to take my time,of course, but if any of you lockies out there have any tips it'd be appreciated.

Out for now.

by **Shrub** » 12 Dec 2005 12:37

I havent fitted one on a upvc door to be honest so i could be wrong but i would think you will need to screw it to the inside of the door orelse the multipoint will be in the way unless its one that replaces the multipoint and then you will have to mountit carefully and pilot drill all your holes and take time to line it up.

by **bonez** » 12 Dec 2005 13:14

iv'e done afew.

but they have been wired into the back of the latch striker.
let us know how you get on?

by **kwc** » 12 Dec 2005 15:12

Hi All,
Use an electric keep or a maglock. depending if its on a domestic or commercial. you can get some neat maglocks now and will hold the door no problem.
Kev

by **kwc** » 12 Dec 2005 15:28

Extra info,
Exit buttons
If fitting a maglock or an electric keep, the user has to have some way of opening the door from the inside. This may be an exit push button to open the lock and also needs an emergency exit break glass button to use for escape.

Maglocks
A metal plate is fixed to the top length of the opening door and the maglock is fitted to the frame of the door in line with this plate.
when voltage is applied to the maglock it pulls in the plate and locks the door.

Electric keep
Electric keeps can be used but are very arkward to fit onto a upvc door.
The keep replaces the original door plate and will "fall back" to allow the lock bolt to pass by it when voltage is applied to it.

Kev

by **Shrub** » 12 Dec 2005 16:22

Sorry to clarify i meant the keep s for the multipoint, not the actual lock on the door, i should have been a bit clearer sorry.

by **gareth** » 13 Dec 2005 15:17

Cheers boys. I'm just trying to make sure I know my stuff before I get there. I can't use mags as it's a latch deadlock, it's got to be an electric release. There's no multi-point strip to cut into just the PVC as it's a relatively cheap door. I'm still waiting for the intercom system to arrive, should have been here 2day but "they" mucked up the delivery. I really need to have a sit down with the kit and see how it all works. The only big thing I'm worried about now is wiring the sucker up. Do you guy's who fit 'em have any good tips? Do you use sparkies or is it simple enough?

Thanks for all the info lads, this site is good n'est pas?

by **kwc** » 13 Dec 2005 16:37

Hi Gareth,
depending on the kit you get?
Is the door a single leaf door?
If so the electric keep will simply fit to the frame in line with the bolt on the lock.
Door entry kits normally consist of
1 Speech unit - installed outside near to the door.
2 telephone sytle handset - installed in the premises.
3 A power supply unit to power the system.

On most systems you would wire between the speech unit and the handset with a cable with enough cores for the system you have.
A cable from the power supply to either of the above.
A 2 core cable from the electric keep to the speech unit.

The keep that you get will normally release when you apply 12 volts to the coil(via the door entry system).

We use Videx door entry kits made here in Newcastle.

You should get a wiring diagram with your kit and also a tech support number. Give them a ring regarding the kit you buy.
If you have any further questions then catch me here.
Kev

by **kwc** » 13 Dec 2005 16:44

Hi Gareth,
Do a google search for door entry, I found one with pictures of the electric keeps at
http://www.doorentryonline.co.uk
This should give you an idea of what they look like
Kev

by **gareth** » 14 Dec 2005 15:41

KWC thanks for all the info mate. Got the intercom system this morning but looking at the diagrams for wiring it up, I've realised that I've bitten off more than I can chew. I'm sending this particular one back as it looks too technical to fit as if I do manage to get hold of a sparkie to do the wiring the client will see the unit as a benchmark and always expect the same one. I'll have to take a sparkie on every job and cut down on my own profit. They're sending me out a system that runs on 2 wires instead. Should suit me down to the ground...... Simple is good! Have you done many intercoms on PVC doors and do you use a sparkie?

Thanks, out for now

by **toomush2drink** » 14 Dec 2005 16:29

Be careful gareth of the new wiring regulations you can only fit a system if its plugs into a mains socket or you will need to get it checked out for a wiring certficate. The alternative is to do the 12volt part of it (correct me if im wrong on this) and then get a spark to wire it into the mains.

by **kwc** » 14 Dec 2005 18:03

Hi Gareth,
Toomushtoodrink is right. Ask your customer to provide a switched fused spur at the location of your control/powersupply unit.

Newer systems can work on a two wire method but i have yet to fit one.
we have installed them as a company and seem to be good.
Best of luck
Kev

by **gareth** » 16 Dec 2005 13:06

Roger that lads. Hooking it up 1st to a plug then plugging it in seems to be the way ahead. Thanks for all the help and have a good weekend.

Out for now.

by **EvoRed** » 16 Dec 2005 13:29

That's what I've been doing in the past, wiring it up to a plug. It is a little unprofessional though, if a cleaner or anybody unplugs it and you have a fail unlocked release then the door will be open 'til it's plugged back in. On the other hand, a fail locked release will leave you with the door locked! It really is best to wire it up to a fused spur if you can.

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