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Maintenance for Dremel tools (speed selector)

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Maintenance for Dremel tools (speed selector)

Postby p1ckf1sh » 1 Jul 2006 16:43

N'evening folks!

While whipping out some experimental tools my Dremel went nuts again. You all know that problem, I suppose. After a certain time, when cutting a lot metal this can be within a few days after unpacking it, the Dremels tend to go nuts and will only run on high or even highest speed when turned, no matter what you set the speed selector to.

The known workaround is to disassemble the Dremel and clean out the metal dust. I am not yet quite sure why this happens or why the maintenance helps in restoring selector functionality, but I am pretty sure that the metal dust is short-circuiting some part of the electrical circuit.

For anyone who did not yet dare to do this, here is a nice picture guide on how to do it. Best thing is, if you do it careful no one can tell your warranty is voided, because on my Dremel there are no seals that have to be broken.

(MODS, I was not sure if this is the appropriate forum for posting this. If we already had the "workbench" / "toolshed" forum that has been talked about in the recent past, it would be a clear decision, but... <hint hint> - so please feel free to move this thread if you see the need to do it.)


What you need:
    Clean work surface
    Screwdriver with T15 bit (Torx)
    Small flathead driver or the little Dremel wrench
    a brush for cleaning the dust off
    roughly 15-20mins


First thing: PULL THE PLUG. I almost got a heart attack when I once did this procedure and noticed that the plug was in the machine all the time after finishing.

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Remove the plastic ring on the front, remove the two little blue nibs that hold the springs and carbon blocks. Also remove the ring near the power cord, you can bend it open carefully to remove the tip from the housing.

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Remove the 4 screws that hold the housing together with the T15 bit. Remove the part of the housing that is opposite of the selector first.

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Remove the two screws that hold down the power cord. Be careful after these screws are gone, the connectors that connect the circuit board to the rest of the machine are very thin and wobbly, so it is tricky to do the next steps without bending these pins. You can just turn the machine over and let the stuff inside rest on your workspace, and then carefully wiggle up the the other part of the housing to release it all.

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Once everything is out of the housing, grab the circuit board on both sides (points 1) and pull out the pins evenly to separate the board. Then remove the black rubber ring (number 2) and after that remove the part that is numbered 3 in the same fashion as the circuit board, by evenly pushing from both sides, to not bend the pins (there are 4 pins to part number 3).

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Should look like this when done properly. If you are looking for a cheap excuse to buy a new Dremel anyway, this is a good point to pour a cup of coffee or something like this into the stuff. If you plan on using the device any longer, keep going. You should start the cleaning process by vigorously brushing off the little circuit board. I think this is the main culprit for the problem, but don't you nail me on that.

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This part is the selector. Clean the surfaces with a brush, then use th brush to remove the dust that is under the blue lip. Only one side is accessible at one time, depending on the selector setting, so make sure you flick the selector all the way to both sides and use the brush to clean from both sides. Merrily ram the brush hairs into the gaps, there is nothing to break. At least not with a brush.

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This is the part that slides along the carbon blocks. I honestly have no clue what these little carbon blocks do, why they are needed, etc. But I see copper, I know that carbon can be conductive, so I suppose a good brushing off can't hurt.

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Take a close look at the little nub in the circle. This thing is pushed inwards when you push the blue locking button on the outside of the housing (for changing the tool bits). Take the little springy round thing, and put it into the gap of the housing so that the hole of the springy thingy lines up with nub.

Now, reassemble the machinery. Align all the pins properly, there is no need for force, it just goes together smoothly. First, put the selector piece with the 4 pins on, then put the rubber ring back, then the sircuit board into the selector part. Now insert the machinery back into the housing carefully, always checking back if everything is aligned properly into the housing cutouts.

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If you think you got it, look and check if the front end looks like pictured above. Hold the device, push one half of the case and the insides of the machine together by holding it, and push the lock button, spin the axle. Does it lock properly? Fine, sound good so far. Now, rotate the axle. Hear any funny sounds? if you wiggle the insided back and forth a little, often something is a bit stuck and then gives way and falls into place for the last half millimeter or so. Spinning the axle must be absolutely noiseless and smooth. You can also lift the machine and look under it, to see if the selector know looks properly aligned. Once you are satisfied with everything (lock bolt, smooth running, etc.) clip in the cable thingy and use the white bridge along with the two T15 screws to secure the cable back into place. Then put the other part of the cover on, screw the 4 screws back in. Before tightening them properly, insert the carbon blocks with the springs. Now, tighten the outside screws, then secure the carbon things with the blue caps you got. Put the clip back into the place next to the cable and put the front pastic ring back on.

Basically just the same in reverse.

Now, one last check. Rotate axle. Smooth? Noise? Fine. Lock bolt? Works. Nice. Turn on machine.

NOTHING HAPPENS!

Right, you did everything correctly. Find the plug and put it into the power socker. Thanks for following my advice to remove it. Again, turn on machine. Is it working. And is it working on the SELECTED speed? Well, it should, and if it does you did it.

If it is still speeding like a bat from hell, my solution is rinse and repeat. It always worked for me.
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Postby Shrub » 1 Jul 2006 17:17

I will just add that to conserve your tool make sure the brushes go back in the same sid eand the same way around,

You may want to try a hoover on the switch first before pulling it apart as well.
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Postby Shrub » 1 Jul 2006 17:17

Ps, great guide.
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 1 Jul 2006 17:28

Shrub wrote:I will just add that to conserve your tool make sure the brushes go back in the same sid eand the same way around,

You may want to try a hoover on the switch first before pulling it apart as well.

Hoovers s u c k. I mean, they never did anything for me regarding this problem.

Regarding the brushes (carbon blocks), they are not exactly square but a little bit rectancular, so you can only insert them in a way that conerves the curvature already "carved" into them. But the point of conserving the side for each one is a good one. Although, when they first come they are flat and carve in pretty quickly, so I suppose they would align pretty quickly if they were accidentally interchanged, no?

Whatever, listen to Shrub. He never killed anyone we know of with his advice (so far).

I am going to sleep now before I make any enemies with my stupid teasing.
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Postby Octillion » 1 Jul 2006 18:04

I think Shrub was trying to say that the carbon brushes be oriented the same way with respect to how the curve contacts the commutator. Rotating the brushes 90 degrees will quickly wear away a lot of carbon as the commutator grinds out a new arch, greatly reducing the life of the brushes.

I've never had this problem with my Dremel, which is an older model (maybe 8 or so years old). But it looks like the metal dust that is getting into the switch is where your problem is coming from. I would just shoot some compressed air in there to clean it out.
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Postby Shrub » 1 Jul 2006 19:03

Yes thanks Octillion thats waht i meant,

I only have a copy of a dremel and rarely use it so was only suggesting the hoover so if you say it doesnt work then fair enough,
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Postby unlisted » 1 Jul 2006 19:08

I have a knock off Dremel (the Canadian Tire version) and I have cut LOTS of metal with this, I have never had this type of problem, (my friend with the same type has though) and I think it is because I use a flexible extension (flex shaft) attached to the dremel tool.

Something like this: http://www.mytoolstore.com/dremel/flexaccs.html

My friend sent his CDN Tire Dremel back for replacement (good warranty/service at CDN tire) and he bought the attachment, and no longer has the issue.

Does anyone else use a flex shaft and still have the speed issue? I also use a fume/dust extractor, maybe that helps also... :roll: But my friend does not have a extractor, and his still works fine.
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Postby n2oah » 1 Jul 2006 20:54

My dremels speed selector has also gone to hell. Maybe I'll tear it open someday.
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Postby p1ckf1sh » 2 Jul 2006 8:39

Octillion wrote:I think Shrub was trying to say that the carbon brushes be oriented the same way with respect to how the curve contacts the commutator. Rotating the brushes 90 degrees will quickly wear away a lot of carbon as the commutator grinds out a new arch, greatly reducing the life of the brushes.

As I said, the carbon brushes are formed rectangular, so there is no way to accidentally put them in at a 90° twist. The only thing that can happen is you put them in rotated 180° from original position, but then you also align the curved part with the round copper part. This is the case on my model at least. People with copies or other models should keep an eye on this.

I've never had this problem with my Dremel, which is an older model (maybe 8 or so years old). But it looks like the metal dust that is getting into the switch is where your problem is coming from. I would just shoot some compressed air in there to clean it out.

You still have to disassemble it for that, because the big blue lip is covering the selector knob slot in the housing up from the inside (you can see this in the first pic). There is hardly any gap to shoot compressed air into it. I think the dust is initially getting into the maching through the vents on rear and is subsequently ventilated to settle under the blue lip.

The poster who stated he never had any trouble because he is using the flex cord seems to support this theory. If the machine is away from where the dust is generated it is less likely to inhale much of it. :) I just kinda hate flexcord, it takes out torque and power if you are not keeping it halfway straigt and in prolonged use mine kept getting warm. As said, when I do extended sessions I set up a hoover with it nozzle close to the area I work at (close to the Dremel to), this works quite well to get quite a lot of dust away in the first place. I do not have to the cleaning quite as often as I had to before I took I took up this practice.
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jul 2006 9:07

It strikes me that a latext cover like a rubber glove cut up over the switch on the outside would help make the tool last longer before cleaning.
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Postby Octillion » 2 Jul 2006 15:45

p1ckf1sh wrote:
Octillion wrote:I would just shoot some compressed air in there to clean it out.

You still have to disassemble it for that, because the big blue lip is covering the selector knob slot in the housing up from the inside (you can see this in the first pic). There is hardly any gap to shoot compressed air into it.

Yes, I meant shoot out the dust with air once you pulled it apart, it will probably work better than using a brush.
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