an Idea from a noob

by **n00b1337** » 18 Jan 2007 21:34

could you make a hollow key and put trigger relase springs in it w/ a button that fires them? and that would set the pins to the exact location + you could make a mold for the lock. would it work?

by **JackNco** » 18 Jan 2007 21:37

yep its called a pick gun, the kinetic energy from a spring would make a perfect pick gun. nice idea though an automated key. some guys went a bit further with an electronic combination dialer. the infos in the BlackBag blog by barry on www.toool.nl. nice lock they made with a 7dick combo i think.

Good idea but it would open every lock it fitted. keep thinking about how locks work and new ideas though

John

by **Deathadder** » 18 Jan 2007 22:15

i dont think thats what he's talking about, hes talking about something that lifts every pin individually, so a mold could be made. *i think*

by **n00b1337** » 18 Jan 2007 22:20

okay have a hollow key with the hills and vallys and when you push the button the springs pop, when you let go, they set.

by **Gordon Airporte** » 18 Jan 2007 22:50

n00b1337 wrote:okay have a hollow key with the hills and vallys and when you push the button the springs pop, when you let go, they set.

How is it that each spring in the key knows where to set it's pin? Each individual pin in the lock needs to be set at the shear line... maybe take a look at the MIT guide to lockpicking and see if that inspires you.

by **JackNco** » 18 Jan 2007 22:58

Gordon Airporte wrote:
n00b1337 wrote:okay have a hollow key with the hills and vallys and when you push the button the springs pop, when you let go, they set.

How is it that each spring in the key knows where to set it's pin? Each individual pin in the lock needs to be set at the shear line... maybe take a look at the MIT guide to lockpicking and see if that inspires you.

don't be to harsh its not a bad idea for a second post. he just hasn't considered binding orders and security pins. cant blame him for thinking (running before he can walk)

Dont be discouraged dude. but you need to get a firm grasp on how locks work first

by **Shrub** » 19 Jan 2007 8:38

No your idea isnt possable due to size limitations in the lock

BUT......

If you start to develop your idea you can get to the point of a sputnik (search the net im afraid as public discussion on here isnt allowed of them) with a sputnik you move each pin separatly and feel the shear but your idea would see springs etc on the outside of the lock,

I have to say though that as said its a non starter for getting the springs to 'guess/know' where to stop 'springing' and set the pin, maybe a lot of tension on the plug so the plug turns for each set and strong springs but again as said security pins would seriously hinder the tool from working,

Keep the ideas coming, big things grow from acorns afterall,

by **RodVT** » 19 Jan 2007 11:25

It's kind of a cool idea. Microcircuitry, piezo-electric feelers that extend like scissors jacks and measure physical resistance with electrical amperage. Fiberoptic photosensor to measure rotation. Insert device, turn real slow while the sensors "feel" for the shear lines. Maybe turn back and forth two or three times while it memorizes each pin position. Voila! Only propbaly $150,000 in development or so and $10,000-20,000 per machine til you can mass produce, but it's definately not impossible.....

by **n00b1337** » 23 Jan 2007 3:13

im extreamly happy that I now know I can spend only 15 grand on development and 10 grand per unit. Wow Im gunna go start now! well Im new to lockpicking the only REAL pick I can do is a padlock shim and a windshield wipper, thing. oh well it was worth a shot
n00b1337

by **n00b1337** » 23 Jan 2007 3:15

BTW what is a tention wrench? *offtopic totaly*

by **SUBJUGATOR** » 9 Mar 2007 10:19

A tension wrench is used to apply tension to the cylinder, this is what turns the lock after the pick has raised the pins. Using appropriate pressure on the tension wrench is important, if you use too much the pins will bind and the pick will be unable to lift them, too little tension and the pins will drop after the pick raises them. In the case of high security mushroom pins you must vary the tension wrench pressure considerably. In most movies or tv shows a lockpicker often uses only a pick which would be impossible.

-S

by **Gordon Airporte** » 9 Mar 2007 23:00

JackNco wrote:don't be to harsh its not a bad idea for a second post. he just hasn't considered binding orders and security pins. cant blame him for thinking (running before he can walk)

Dont be discouraged dude. but you need to get a firm grasp on how locks work first

Sorry, that wasn't my intention. Maybe I didn't note his post count.
Anyway, to make up, here's a Sputnik to look at:
http://www.tresoroeffnung.de/schulungen.php?seite=8
Check those videos out.

by **Knows-Picker** » 10 Mar 2007 2:54

Cool video, wish I could understand what he was saying, but it looks like he used the same type of technique as when using a tubular pick, and then when it was set and turned he pushed all of them in and set them against the pins and the inside of the cylinder wall. My ? is this: anyone that understood what he was saying; Is it possible to then cut a new key and pull a code from this tool? just wondering, it would probably be out of my price range anyway....lol but you never know.

by **Shrub** » 10 Mar 2007 8:12

Shrub wrote:If you start to develop your idea you can get to the point of a sputnik (search the net im afraid as public discussion on here isnt allowed of them)

I can see this going wrong already and previous advice ignored so have to lock it before discussion gets more involved,

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