Anyone Used the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick?

[jeeper906]

Hello everyone! I am new to the site and fairly new to the hobby of lock picking. Anyways, while perusing lockpickshop.com yesterday for my first starter lock pick set I came across the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick. I searched the site but didn't find any information on the tool so I was wondering if anyone here has had any experience with it. Is is worth buying? It is pretty pricey at $19.95. I thought I'd as you guys before I wasted my money. Thanks for your help!

Also, I was looking at this for my first kit. http://www.lockpickshop.com/PXS-14.html What do you guys think about it? It is cheaper than the rest of the kits so I was wondering if there is anything wrong with it.

Here is the link to the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick. http://www.lockpickshop.com/KWICKPICK.html

Thanks again for your help!

[TigerDragon]

If you really want to learn to pick locks, I would forgo the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick you posted.

The set is fine for getting started. You'll want to sand the picks when they arrive with a very fine grit sandpaper to smooth them out some. Picks made from stamping seem to have some roughness to them that will make it even more frustrating to learn by since they won't move over the pins as smoothly as one that has been sanded before use (just my opinion).

You may also want to try your hand at making your own picks. A bench grinder and some hack saw blades would get you started for the picks themselves, and you can find a variety of things to make tension wrenches from with a little imagination.

[ridinplugspinnaz]

Also, I was looking at this for my first kit. http://www.lockpickshop.com/PXS-14.html What do you guys think about it? It is cheaper than the rest of the kits so I was wondering if there is anything wrong with it.Thanks again for your help!

Between the PXS-14 and the MPXS-14, I would have to recommend the MPXS. Your hands will fatigue quickly on the picks without metal handles, especially when you're starting out, which is when you're most likely to use too much tension and picking force. In my opinion, it's worth the extra cash for the metal handles. Either that, or you could go with the MPXS-8, which is still a very respectable set for the money.

[jeeper906]

If you really want to learn to pick locks, I would forgo the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick you posted.

Is this because the Dyno Kwick Pick takes the skill out of lock picking or because it doesn't work and is a waste of money?

may also want to try your hand at making your own picks. A bench grinder and some hack saw blades would get you started for the picks themselves, and you can find a variety of things to make tension wrenches from with a little imagination.

Well it just so happened that I did make some picks of my own today. Try not to laugh, they are the first picks I have ever made (besides a paper clip or windshield wiper insert of course). I'm not sure what I was trying to make with the top one. I guess a rake maybe?

[jeeper906]

I have been using the lock in the picture to practice on. I didn't want to take a chance on screwing up the lock on my front door. Is this lock supposed to be easy to pick? I have been using a paper clip and a piece of windshield wiper insert to pick it with a clip from a ball point pen as my tension tool. I have only successfully picked it about four times out of the 50 times I tried. Hopefully it's the tools that's making it hard to pick and not completely me.

[ridinplugspinnaz]

I have been using the lock in the picture to practice on. I didn't want to take a chance on screwing up the lock on my front door. Is this lock supposed to be easy to pick? I have been using a paper clip and a piece of windshield wiper insert to pick it with a clip from a ball point pen as my tension tool. I have only successfully picked it about four times out of the 50 times I tried. Hopefully it's the tools that's making it hard to pick and not completely me.

The lock itself is a chinese knockoff of the standard Master laminated steel padlock. It should be relatively easy to open, though some of them are made with such terrible tolerances that they sometimes make it less straightforward to open than a Master lock.

At any rate, the pen clip is actually not a terrible tension tool, though it's probably too wide for that keyway. Paperclips are pretty terrible picks for anything other than raking open a cheap wafer lock, since they have a tendency to deform easily. If you're looking for makeshift tools that are slightly less dismal, you might do better with some stiff hairclips while you're waiting for some picks to arrive.

[Olson Burry]

Well, it shouldn't be too hard to pick if you've managed it already with a paper clip, good job

The thing is it's got a very low cut on the key right at the front and you'll need to avoid over setting that one whilst reaching for the back pins.

As for your hacksaw tools, you can probably tell yourself that they aren't thin enough to even begin to approach that lock. They need to be smooth as well, almost mirror sanded if enough care was taken to avoid scratching the sides of the shaft.

If you take a look at a few of the templates that are scattered around I think you'll get a good idea as to the sort of proportions you're looking for. As a rule I would make the tang or the piece that lifts the pins about as high again as the shaft is thick, if that makes any sense.

Also look at the key, if your pick is going to be resting on the first ward or on top of the tension wrench if it is being placed at the bottom, it needs to be thin enough both to allow the shaft and business end to pass under the pins.

Hacksaw blades are incredibly strong even when made very thin, much stronger than you think and most definitely have an order of magnitude more tensile strength than a paper clip.

When your tools arrive you'll see what I mean

Try and make yourself a half diamond or hook, dont bother with rakes yet.

[jeeper906]

Well, it shouldn't be too hard to pick if you've managed it already with a paper clip, good job

The thing is it's got a very low cut on the key right at the front and you'll need to avoid over setting that one whilst reaching for the back pins.

As for your hacksaw tools, you can probably tell yourself that they aren't thin enough to even begin to approach that lock. They need to be smooth as well, almost mirror sanded if enough care was taken to avoid scratching the sides of the shaft.

If you take a look at a few of the templates that are scattered around I think you'll get a good idea as to the sort of proportions you're looking for. As a rule I would make the tang or the piece that lifts the pins about as high again as the shaft is thick, if that makes any sense.

Also look at the key, if your pick is going to be resting on the first ward or on top of the tension wrench if it is being placed at the bottom, it needs to be thin enough both to allow the shaft and business end to pass under the pins.

Hacksaw blades are incredibly strong even when made very thin, much stronger than you think and most definitely have an order of magnitude more tensile strength than a paper clip.

When your tools arrive you'll see what I mean

Try and make yourself a half diamond or hook, dont bother with rakes yet.

Thanks for the tips Olson Burry! I thought my hacksaw picks looked a little big, but I had nothing to compare them to and have not yet had a chance to try them. I will look for those templates and grind and sand my hacksaw picks down to proper specs. It'll give me something to do will I'm waiting on my order.

About what I am ordering from lockpickshop.com, I still haven't decided. The MPXS-14 kit is nice, but it is pretty expensive. Is the only difference between the MPXS and PXS kits is that the MPXS kits have metal handles? What kind of handles do the PXS kits have?

Also, as far as compact handy lock pick sets go how good is the JPXS-6 Jackknife lock pick set?

And, getting back to the topic of the thread, is the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick worth buying? One person says no but no one has told me why I shouldn't buy it. Is it because it takes the skill out of lock picking or because it doesn't work?

Sorry for all the questions and I am very sorry for posting such big pictures. I didn't realize they would be that big and I know it makes reading the thread a little difficult. Anyways, thanks for your help and all input is appreciated.

[ridinplugspinnaz]

Thanks for the tips Olson Burry! I thought my hacksaw picks looked a little big, but I had nothing to compare them to and have not yet had a chance to try them. I will look for those templates and grind and sand my hacksaw picks down to proper specs. It'll give me something to do will I'm waiting on my order.

About what I am ordering from lockpickshop.com, I still haven't decided. The MPXS-14 kit is nice, but it is pretty expensive. Is the only difference between the MPXS and PXS kits is that the MPXS kits have metal handles? What kind of handles do the PXS kits have?

Also, as far as compact handy lock pick sets go how good is the JPXS-6 Jackknife lock pick set?

And, getting back to the topic of the thread, is the Dyno Kwick Lock Pick worth buying? One person says no but no one has told me why I shouldn't buy it. Is it because it takes the skill out of lock picking or because it doesn't work?

Sorry for all the questions and I am very sorry for posting such big pictures. I didn't realize they would be that big and I know it makes reading the thread a little difficult. Anyways, thanks for your help and all input is appreciated.

Regarding the Kwick Pick, I've heard that for the most part it's a waste of money, I doubt it's very effective. Especially when you're starting out, there are far better things you can spend your money on. If the MPXS-14 looks too expensive but you were budgeting to get the Kwick Pick and a pickset, I would forego the KP altogether and put the money toward a better pickset. There are no magic tools in locksport, so don't believe the hype on things like the Kwick Pick. If it really was as effective as some would have you believe, it would be much more expensive than it is.

As far as the cost of the MPXS-14, I think a better compromise would be to get the MPXS-8 versus a set with more picks but no handles like the PXS-14. Honestly, the difference in picks between the MPXS-8 and MPXS-14 set isn't that much at all; it looks like you're missing a long hook, a larger diamond pick, and two ball picks, all of which are not really necessary picks for someone starting out. I've been picking for months and I can't think of a time where I really needed a long hook or a ball pick.

Stay away from jackknife sets for now, again there are better things to spend your money on than that when you're starting out. If you search on this site too, you will find a lot of complaints about the set screw on that pickset constantly coming loose.

[ridinplugspinnaz]

Hahaha wow, on further inspection of that Kwick Pick, it appears to be nothing more than a retractable snake rake attached to a pen-like handle. What a waste of money! I thought it at least vibrated or had some active / electronic element to it, but apparently not. Definitely stay away from that thing.

[Olson Burry]

The ones with the metal handles are worth the extra money in my opinion. Basically the handles are the thickness of the pick again, placed on either side. The ones without the handles are as thick all along as your hacksaw blades are.

Also, as a matter of personal opinion I would go for a slimline set, especially if youre going to be looking at padlocks are those keyways are pretty small. I also say that because they just seem to be a little less "pry bar" like as someone put it although a little more delicate to use. I can say this because I own both the MPXS-20 and C2010 picksets from SO. Thats a lot of picks but I seriously only use 5 out of the whole 2 sets.

You could consider the C801 for similar money for slimline set although you dont get quite as many picks but as I said, I hardly use any of the others and soon you'll be making your own anyway... bears thinking about.

Dont buy the jacknife, it might impress your mates but it wont give near as much feedback as a set of proper picks. Remember also that you can build on a quality set of tools that you like over many years, with a jacknife youre stuck with it.

The Dyno quick thing, well, if I were you I would use the extra money to get a better set of slimline picks. It may open some padlocks quickly, but probably not door locks, and then you have to wonder whether you want to open locks quickly or learn to pick them. It is what it is. You wont learn anything about better locks with it, they just wont open and you wont know why.

[jeeper906]

Also, as a matter of personal opinion I would go for a slimline set, especially if youre going to be looking at padlocks are those keyways are pretty small. I also say that because they just seem to be a little less "pry bar" like as someone put it although a little more delicate to use. I can say this because I own both the MPXS-20 and C2010 picksets from SO. Thats a lot of picks but I seriously only use 5 out of the whole 2 sets.

You could consider the C801 for similar money for slimline set although you dont get quite as many picks but as I said, I hardly use any of the others and soon you'll be making your own anyway... bears thinking about.

Well, thanks everyone for your input. I now know not to get either the jackknife or the Dyno Kwick pick. However, Olson Burry made a good point that slimline picks are very nice since they can fit into tighter places. So now I have to decide slimline or regular. From what you guys have said I should get lock picks with metal handles. I see why the metal handles are needed and wouldn't want lock picks without them. From what I can tell the only slimline lock pick set with metal handles is the C1510 set which is $42.95. So I guess I am going to narrow it down to the C1510 15 piece metal handle set for $42.95 or the MPXS-14 14 piece metal handle set for $39.95. Anyone have suggestions or opinions on which one to buy?

Oh, also I have an update on my lock I posted earlier in this thread. Instead of inserting my tension tool in the bottom of the lock, I decided to insert it in the top of the lock directly in front of the first pin. This opened up the key hole so I could fit my homemade lock picks into the lock. I now can open that lock with ease not having the tension tool in the way. Time to get a tougher lock to pick!

[Olson Burry]

Yes, top tension is an excellent way of getting more room to manoeuvre, it also provides a more centralised rotation. In order to not interfere with the front pin you can make a tool that literally wont go in that far, I find that nice as it sits flush against the lock body and doesn't pop out so easily.

I think you're going to have to make your own decision on the pick set buddy. When I bought mine I was getting 2 dollars for a British Pound so I actually forgot they were as expensive as that.

You could consider a smaller slimline set like the C801 and add singles to it later on. I know you want more but hey. I do like the C1510 that looks like a good set if you've got the money. In fact the only budget slimline set I can see that doesn't have all metal handles is the C1500. They make you have to look hard though don't they.

Ah well, good luck bud, and well done for discovering top tension, happy pickin'

[jeeper906]

Thanks for your help Olson Burry! I decided to go with the MPXS-14 kit. I'm going to order some slimline picks later once I master these and come across locks where slimline picks are needed. Thanks again for everyone's help. Without your input I would have wasted my money on a cheap pick set and that Dyno Kwick Pick. I can assure everyone that while the MPXS-14 set is my first kit, it won't be my last!

[ridinplugspinnaz]

Thanks for your help Olson Burry! I decided to go with the MPXS-14 kit. I'm going to order some slimline picks later once I master these and come across locks where slimline picks are needed. Thanks again for everyone's help. Without your input I would have wasted my money on a cheap pick set and that Dyno Kwick Pick. I can assure everyone that while the MPXS-14 set is my first kit, it won't be my last!

A fine choice indeed For what the personal anecdote is worth, I own a couple picksets, neither of them slimline, and I haven't come across a lock that wasn't pickable with them (these are all US-origin locks). Even the smaller cylinders like luggage locks and the ones on the back of the keyed Master combination padlocks seem to be openable with the standard size picks. More often than not, the trick isn't pick size, but knowing where and how to tension the lock so that you can get the optimal space for maneuvering your picks.