5G Pick Choice - Safeventures against Chris Belcher

[British Standard]

Hello
I understand your point but I don't need to - it's selling like hot cakes and I'm getting emails and forum posts daily with success stories. I think pretty much everyone who should know it's avaiable does by now and will make up their own mind through forum discussion and experimentation. The ICL tool has become a lot cheaper and everyone wins. That's my last word on the subject on this forum
regards
British Standard

[lockey1963]

selling like hot cakes to who though , or do you just not give a toss who buys it as long as they pay !
having read your forum it seems you have no interest in lock picking , no interest in the locksmith industry, and no knowledge of lock picking, just a desire to make a fast profit.


watch this space

[chip]

maybe britishstandard can comment on the thread about selling ethics, would be interesting!!!

[lockey1963]

I dont believe he cares about selling ethics, he claimed the new pick was fully tested and included the fortress, yet on his site he had managed to pick the 1 union he had and his fortress hadnt been taken from the box yet.

Its obvious that the entire reason for his post was no more than to advertise his tool and promote it, in which he succeeded, so well done chris.

It amazes me how a person with no real interest in locksmithing, no picking knowledge or skill , can make such claims, i guess its what you call making a fast buck.

watchdog has at last targeted another locksmith for the next show rather than the usual guy, rumour is hes from a well known national firm.

I saw a very interesting mail sent to me last night regarding a crb check, i want to verify this before commenting upon it.

[Chris B]

Good morning.

To all aspiring locksmiths and enthusiasts.
Use of [b]Locksmithing Terminology[/b] is essential if you want to learn the answer to questions or you are answering a question. It makes it easier for everybody to understand what is being discussed. Naming parts of locks, tools, keys etc etc is vital if we are to understand each other. If you are referring to tools, try to use the named parts as described by the makers, then we are all in tune with each other.

May I make a small suggestion, which may help in understanding certain terminology used amongst locksmiths?

Firstly, if you are based in the UK, a book which will set you on the right path of using the correct and accepted terminology, would be:
An Encyclopaedia of Locks and Builders Hardware by Josiah Parkes & Sons Ltd ISBN: B0000CK6A3.
You can search this in Google, and as the book is out of print, you may be able to buy it from Ebay or an Out-of-Print Bookshop online. It contains the rudimentary basic knowledge that any locksmith requires, and is laid out in A to Z.
There is a book also by Mick Friend: The Encyclopaedia for Locksmiths, ISBN 0-7552-0117-5,
and of course there is the new book coming out very soon by
Graham Pulford : High-Security Mechanical Locks. ISBN-13: 978-0-7506-8437-8 or ISBN-10: 0-7506-8437-2.
Reading books such as these will do no harm to any aspiring locksmith or enthusiast. You could approach your local library with the ISBN numbers and ask them to source the books for you.

If however, you are based in the USA or Canada, you may find the following link rather helpful, which has been collated by some of the most experienced and renowned locksmiths in the USA & Canadian continent. The Lock Industry Standards and Training Council [ALOA] http://www.locksoft.com/gloscopy.htm

If you start off on the right foot, locksmiths will understand you.
There are a few instances where we UK locksmiths use a different term to our American counterparts, but in essence, we understand each other.

Hope that this helps you and others.
Best regards
Chris B

[Chris B]

Good morning.

To all aspiring locksmiths and enthusiasts.
Use of Locksmithing Terminology is essential if you want to learn the answer to questions or you are answering a question. It makes it easier for everybody to understand what is being discussed. Naming parts of locks, tools, keys etc etc is vital if we are to understand each other. If you are referring to tools, try to use the named parts as described by the makers, then we are all in tune with each other.

May I make a small suggestion, which may help in understanding certain terminology used amongst locksmiths?

Firstly, if you are based in the UK, a book which will set you on the right path of using the correct and accepted terminology, would be:
An Encyclopaedia of Locks and Builders Hardware by Josiah Parkes & Sons Ltd ISBN: B0000CK6A3.
You can search this in Google, and as the book is out of print, you may be able to buy it from Ebay or an Out-of-Print Bookshop online. It contains the rudimentary basic knowledge that any locksmith requires, and is laid out in A to Z.
There is a book also by Mick Friend: The Encyclopaedia for Locksmiths, ISBN 0-7552-0117-5,
and of course there is the new book coming out very soon by
Graham Pulford : High-Security Mechanical Locks. ISBN-13: 978-0-7506-8437-8 or ISBN-10: 0-7506-8437-2.
Reading books such as these will do no harm to any aspiring locksmith or enthusiast. You could approach your local library with the ISBN numbers and ask them to source the books for you.

If however, you are based in the USA or Canada, you may find the following link rather helpful, which has been collated by some of the most experienced and renowned locksmiths in the USA & Canadian continent. The Lock Industry Standards and Training Council [ALOA] http://www.locksoft.com/gloscopy.htm

If you start off on the right foot, locksmiths will understand you.
There are a few instances where we UK locksmiths use a different term to our American counterparts, but in essence, we understand each other.

Hope that this helps you and others.
Best regards
Chris B

[Chris B]

Moderator, double post, please delete one.
Thank you.

[taylorgdl]

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Or the CB pick (extra wire is available), but the (older 5g) tool still needs adapting.

To clarify - the newer version comes with the adaption already made, and the wire for the fortress will work (I just can't do it, yet).

I use Chris B's picks almost daily, on almost every mortice I come across, apart from the Union, which I find the SV tool opens faster than it takes to set up.

[akmw44]

To all posters in this topic.
It would make interesting reading if you all expressed opinions on this subject now in 2010.
Ie new pick from lock standards site
Chris b -still take the same stance on wire mod on your kit,is the offer of adjustments still open.
As the Internet has brought the art of picking from behind closed doors what's the industry like now , better or worse?

[thededer]

I don't really think you should have grave dug a post from 2007

[mhole]

Why not? It's a specific request for updated information, which is still totally relevant to the preceeding posts. Why on earth not bring it back - would you rather have the information split over two discussions so it's harder to find?!

[thededer]

i suppose you're right. sorry