Agency pick gun made for the CIA

[NDE Manipulation]

I'm very much aware of all of that. And for the reasons you cited in this last post of your's, I would think that no one would even know if they were interested in recruiting talent from this site or almost anywhere else with the exception of a University where they are very, very well known to do so.

[Romstar]

Well, it's sort of a given that they are looking.

It's certainly not something they are making public of course, but I know of several recent "recruits" from the hacker community. Most intelligence organizations are seriously recognizing the value of certain types of programmers, and the skills they provide.

So, while we may not like being watched, they are watching for a variety of different reasons. So far, I have only been able to track three instances of "governmental" monitoring. One of them from a non governmental address. Quite fun

Romstar

[Jimmie]

as far as I know ... and according to the pictures I've seen the toy you are speaking about is rather working with an electromagnet in place of a small motor and gears

it is less noisy and some of these electromagnets develop a rapid up/down motion with good strikes

may be I'm wrong !!!

but some DIY pick guns bave been realized with success from electromagnets found in big ring bells

jimmie

Jimmie

[Romstar]

You are most assuredly NOT wrong.
Jimmie gets the prize for knowing the 'secondary' unit.

Yes, there were/are models of this pick that utilized solenoids as opposed to electric motors. Anyone who has seen a professional tattoo gun has seen a similar arangement.

In my experience (although limited) these were not as comon as the electric motor and gear type.

Romstar

[raimundo]

before tattoo guns were made commercially, the solenoids from old telephone bells were used to make tattoo guns. one ring was numerous rapid hits on a brass bell.

[raimundo]

pattern recognition is the name of the William Gibson book I'm reading now, although I liked his earlier ones about the disfunctional future better, this ones about the present, except for the idea that cacye pollard can actually be paid for commercial pattern recognition, a lot of really cool skills are not valued by the egoistic lumpheads that run the world.

[Romstar]

I have all of Gibson's books with the exception of that one. So don't ruin it for me.

I keep meaning to get that book, but I never do. I guess I am going to have to bite the bullet and get it tonight.

As for Cacye, there are people who actually DO get paid for that.

Funny old world really.

Romstar

[EricM]

If you want to see what it could possibly be, watch the movie, The Bourne Supremecy, when he goes into the room at The Hotel Brecker.

The last convo on the movie.
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When he pulls out a leather holder with the tool, and inserts it into the lock, and you can hear it click at least twice. Possibly with the rotating of the cylinder, but that would be foley artists on a sound stage, so it's only to make the viewer believe something is happening in the lock, since they probably removed all but one pin in the lock, or had none at all. As Steffen from the SSDev(lockpicking.org , SSdev.org) have told me because they have sold a few RIGGED locks to companies in Germany for movies, and tv shows.

From my research and designing the tool, instead of using the bumping "999" as I thought previously because of the sound in the movie it makes(as I explained in the past paragraph) I landed on the idea of the semi/auto pick gun, since it fits into a majority of locks, and you have to custom make a 999 key for every single different lock. You would only need to make a slight change to the front end for different tension tools as you are going to use it on different locks of course.

With my early ideas on what it was.
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turns out it most likely has existed but I have yet to find anything in the patent office about it from many hours of research.

[Romstar]

A huge amount of this stuff is never patented.

Romstar

[NKT]

Sorry to re-open this, but if you are searching patents, do it on-line! It can save you a hell of a lot of time when you bang it into Esp@ce and get a hit - saves going to London, Leeds or Glasgow, anyway!

Also, prior art can be found all over the place, like on Google, MSN and Yahoo.

The image searches are really getting useful these days, too. Sometimes you can find what you want in a second.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum ... tnG=Search

Might not be the right one, of course. And who's dog is that?

[vector40]

That's just the Brockhage gun. Or the Lockaid.

I'm making this up, I can't recognize them. But it's nothing special

[NKT]

, you mean Google is wrong?

My faith in humanity is shaken...

[NKT]

Hold on. Dam mit is censored?

That shakes my faith even more!

[monkeE]

Hey, as long as we are on the subject of solenoid electric picks, I got a quick question, would it be better to have reciprocating solenoids (two pulling each other opposite directions on different phases) or one with a fast spring pulling it back to a neutral state? I'm thinkign about building a solenoid electric pick in my spare time, but am just wondering if anyone else has any experience with this type.



Monkee

[raimundo]

I think for your first try, go with one and the return spring, remember that if you keep hitting the pins up too fast, they will 'float' and never come back down, if you made it with two solenoids, or a solenoid and a current reverser, or whatever, you would have to add something to slow the timeing down to let the pins fall back.