Agency pick gun made for the CIA

[raimundo]

Sure I said some stupid stuff, I like to keep the discussion going. nobody takes me seriously. didja notice that a weeks posts on the UE thread were scrapped, I wish i could censor my own posts, but someone else is doin it for me, I could start unposting until my number of posts is back to the single digits.

[Makesstuff]

The latest "black bag" pick gun actually uses air pressure to blow the pins back to the shear points.
Really cool toy.
A variable screw in the piston chamber changes the volume of air being pumped into the lock as a little computer changes the speed of the pump.
You put the "snout" of the "Pig" on the lock over the keyhole and push a button. as the "Pig" huffs you apply more and more pressure with the torsion tool,as the pins are forced up they are trapped at the shear point and the cylinder rotates slightly.
The best thing about it is the Pig works on any lock with pins entering at the key from any direction...even multiple directions and cylindrical keyed locks will give it up for the Pig.
The only locks it does not work on are wafer locks like on cars since it can't blow the pins up.
It also looks exactly like a flashlight and it does light up like one if a casual observer pushes the button,The rubber snout is under the lens that unscrews so you can use it as a Pig and when the lens is off it will "Huff" when you press the button.
No you can't borrow mine.
Now you all know too much and I must have you all erased.

MS

[SFGOON]

Nice, very nice, but we're going to need a citation on that one.

How did you find out about this?

Can I make one out of a balloon and a straw?

[Makesstuff]

My lips are sealed until they arrest me.
Since you are the Moderator I may ask you to erase my posts before the gov finds out I am letting thier tricks out of the little black bag.
However I do have a picture of a flashlight I can send you if you need proof.
All kidding aside you really haven't heard of a "Pig" or "Huffer" used in reference to law enforcement?
I thought it was common knowledge.
Has anyone posted a home made Huffer?
I may have to make one.

MS

[n2oah]

The only locks it does not work on are wafer locks like on cars since it can't blow the pins up.

I doubt it works on any high security locks. Medecos?

[Makesstuff]

As far as I know it works on anything with pins.
It does have to be adjusted for different locks though. The tighter the lock the harder it is for the air to get out of the gap between the cylinder and the lock body so the tighter the lock the less air volume you start with.(unscrew the Pig's body in the middle to adjust the crank throw and change the volume)
It is up to the operator to feel the pins into place though, and to notice or compensate for mushroom or serrated pins.
Skill is still needed to some degree and a person with a light touch can open almost any pin lock in the 4 seconds it takes the Pig to go thru one huffing cycle.

MS

[NKT]

I've thought about this, and can't see how it could work without a compressor attachment. The Euro locks I have here all have a clear channel down them, as do yale-style rim cylinders, mortice locks have a hole clean through, and the better locks tend to have things that lock the cylinder up solid if they are prodded.

You would need a heck of a volume of air, as well as some skill with getting the tension spot on, and how do you stop it from overlifting the pins? Or is the idea that it leaves the bottom pins behind?

[Shrub]

I can smell somthing coming off the screen as i read that but i will reserve full comment until proof is shown.

Weve discussed this in great depth numourus times on numourus threads and the diversity of people on here some of us with a lot of goverment tool restriction knowledge have never heard of such a tool unless its being kept quiet about.

Good effort and good story but until i see proof it remains as a 'what if' tool im afraid.

[raimundo]

noisy power tools are for those who cant pick, the electric pick gun sounds like someone left a fork in the garbage disposal.

[bembel]

I've thought about this, and can't see how it could work without a compressor attachment

I'd use a standard CO2 cartridge, especially in the "flashlight" model.
However, I'm not too convinced if it's really working...

P.S. As an agency, I'd go for the not too secret Sputnik: Doesn't make any noise, opens the lock and allows to decode the key at the same time.

[illusion]

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Oh I'm sorry... was that a little direct?

[Shrub]

Theres better tools than the sputnik made by falle but they arent for discussion here and nor is the sputnik before any noobs ask.

It was also suggested that the air toy was noisy which like bembell said is not whats wanted.

Ray, that sounded like the voice of experiance to me got many bent forks have you?

[Makesstuff]

Probably just some made up internet thing then...lots of hoaxes around, like that 100 pound cat and the guy on the tower with the plane behind him.
I'll try to find the link but I have my history set to zero and I have no proof.
As for the air blowing thru I'd guess that the torsion tool fits/fills the keyway at the back.

If I can't find it I'll change my nick to Buildsstuff and sign off as "BS".

MS

[bembel]

@shrub: No need to advise noobs. The sputnik has been discussed here umpteen times in public.

P.S. Same for the air pick theory.

[Shrub]

Yes the air pick has but the sputnik is for advanced forums and the threads that start on them do get moved tot he advanced section, if there are any threads still knocking around then let one of the mods know.

Until its decided they are public discussable thats where theyll be, i had a talk with Db a while ago on sputniks and it was decided they remain advanced,

Its rather like abloy stuff there are public threads that havent been found and moved but simply not mentioned.

I know what you was meaning though