Pickgun protection mark 2??

[darrel.h]

I have thought up a way to protect locks from being picked by automatic means. I am thinking of putting powerful magnets on the drivers and the pins. The magnets will keep the two pieces from separating when the pins are rattled. when the key is inserted and turned, the two pieces separate. Does anyone think this will work? I will get around to posting pictures later.

[SFGOON]

Those would have to be VERY powerfull magnets. You also run the risk of getting iron bits caught in the pin stack, lowering the security of the lock.

[illusion]

De-magnetise the pins, then bump or snap.

Hmm... well the key will be hard to turn, and this would lead to increased stress on the key and a greater chance of the key breaking.

Hmm... you'd need serious tension when manual picking such a lock, since you need to make sure that when the top pin reaches sheer line, the plug is actualy able to turn.

IMHO, this idea is flawed.

[Shrub]

Wasnt this mentioned in the other thread by someone else or are you saying putting magnets next to the pin stacks? not actually useing the pins as magnets themselves?

[bembel]

Actually there is a magnetic pin modification, but it works only with euro style locks (gravity) and requires a special key.
Can't give you a name, but from what I've seen it's 100% not pickable with a gun or an ordinary manual pickset.
Demagnetising it also wouldn't help.

[Octillion]

I recall this being mentioned before. It may be effective if neodymium magnets are used, weaker magnets could easily just bump apart. But neodymium magnets are brittle, and would run the risk of shattering in the lock after excessive bump or pick gun attacks, or even after moderate regular use.

[darrel.h]

I actually mean embedding magnets in the pins and drivers.

[UWSDWF]

it's 100% not pickable

[bembel]

Nice quoting job.
What I actually said was "100% not pickable with a gun"
There's an unsprung pin which has to be pulled up magnetically. No gun can do that.

[toomush2drink]

The easiest way to defeat a pickgun is to place the last pin upside down so it needs to be pushed in the opposite direction to the other pins.Even if the gun sets the top pins the plug cannot turn until this upside down is set.Manual picking would still work though and it would take a key with a cut on the bottom of it.Another way is to use the sytem that peugeot use on their keys with a small hole in the end.

[LockNewbie21]

Hmm somebody could put big magnets on the bottom of there boot and stomp forward on the lock... that would open it..


But if you added magnets, meaning an extra.. well pin of sorts, if would then become similiar to a master keyed lock and security would blow.

[bembel]

Finally found the name of the lock I meant: Gera 3500.
5 regular pins + 1 pin without spring.
It's an euro cylinder which means that you have to lift the special pin when mounted properly. There's a magnetic spot in the key to do that.

[UWSDWF]

Nice quoting job.
What I actually said was "100% not pickable with a gun"
There's an unsprung pin which has to be pulled up magnetically. No gun can do that.

really I thought you said

it's 100% not pickable with a gun or an ordinary manual pickset

a gun or ordinary manual pickset to me would then imply "100% not pickable"

guess I was worng somehow..... I don't know how but eveidently I was misquoting a misquoted quote

[bembel]

Maybe you could use a magnetic hook to lift the special pin, but I haven't seen any magnetic hooks in a standard pickset yet.
That's why I called it "unpickable" with ordinary picksets (when mounted, of course).

But I don't want to continue this.
You can make yourself a picture here.

[Tyler Durden]

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