Lever lock pick in US

by **bushd** » 22 Oct 2004 14:45

Has anyone here ever found the need, particularly a smith, for a lever lock picking mechanism here in the States? More particularly have you found the need for a curtain pick? The only time I ever see lever is on small novelty boxes and the like.

If so any recomendations for generic types as I don't have the cash to dish out for the specific types of curtain picks per lock manufacturer and model.

Personally I've never even owned a lever (I keep typing level) lock that is other then a novelty box/safe keeper that couldn't be opened with a screwdriver or knife.

by **PickPick** » 22 Oct 2004 15:14

Most key operated safe locks are lever locks. So if you're offering safe openings you should be able to pick levers imho. But apart from that I haven't heard much about lever lock being used in the US.

by **thertel** » 22 Oct 2004 16:08

This is as goog a time as any to bring this up. I was talking to my gf who works in Sprawl-Mart and noticed she had this strange key. Well after a few seconds I realized it was a key for a lever lock so I looked at it for a while realized it was for a 5 lever lock. I then proceeded to see where it went and the lock had a curtain. Kinda cool, in my opinion that they would have this lock on a particle board kiosk. Makes me want some BS locks and non BS locks even more as well as some tools. Maybe thats what I'll get for christmas. I have chubb 3g114 locks for all my house doors, just need the time to install them, so if I ever need a locksmith to get in for some reason, he better be able to pick them, cus if not I'm just gonna break a windows. No way in hell is he drilling them, after the shipping cost for them.

But so yes I can see a need for having the tools, if you are a commercial locksmith that does work for a store that uses them, or if you are a locksmith that plans on entering my house, once I get the locks in.

Thomas

by **toomush2drink** » 22 Oct 2004 16:31

Good stuff getting the chubbs but will any locksmiths out your way be able to pick them ? Better make a note of the drill points any way just in case and you can always replace the case only if its drilled.
You could always give me a bell ,pay my airfare and accomodation and i will do it cheaply non-destructively for you :lol:

by **bushd** » 22 Oct 2004 16:32

I take it the Chubb 3g114 is a lever? I haven't ventured into levers that much considering their very minimal use here but everyone sounded so excited over the Belcher picks that I decided to poke around.

by **bushd** » 22 Oct 2004 16:34

Off topic a bit here but does anyone know where I can get info on the British Standard? I assume that is the BS. All I know so far is the difference is it has fake notches. I haven't found a good lever source except for a post I found while searching from Pinky. Pretty informative but it took me forever to figure out what a curtain is.

by **thertel** » 22 Oct 2004 16:50

One thing I realized, too late, was that the door in my garage will not accept the mortise lock because it is a hollow door. I've order a new door, that is going to come precut for the mortise. Custom door company was able to use the template I faxed them to pre-mortise the door for me. I was pretty irate when I realized the door was hollow because it was blaringly obvious if I had stopped and thought about it, but eagle-eye hindsight as they say.

As for bringing you over Toomush2drink, that would be one hell of a callout fee plus the waiting time. I'm actually considering the drill point think and keeping it somewhere safe.

Thomas

by **quicklocks** » 22 Oct 2004 16:55

try this site it tells you what a lock has to be to get the bs rateing
www.uniononline.co.uk/standards/BS3621.html
very informative

by **bushd** » 22 Oct 2004 17:01

Thanks for the link. Will be going in the favorites. This might be a good time to mention a FAQ section for levers.

by **MrB** » 22 Oct 2004 17:33

According to the above BS3261 link, the lock has to resist a side load of 13,500 N after someone has spent 5 minutes trying to saw through the bolt.

Well 13,500 N is about 3000 lb, or near enough one and a half tons.

That better be a pretty strong door and door frame, that's all I can say!

by **Hak** » 22 Oct 2004 17:35

Exactly how many lbs. is a ton? I've always wondered about that but i've just never asked

by **MrB** » 22 Oct 2004 17:39

It depends which country you are in. In the UK it is 2240 lb, whereas in the USA it is 2000 lb. Sometimes 2000 lb in the UK is called a "short ton".

There is also a metric tonne which is 1000 kg, or about 2200 lb.

by **Hak** » 22 Oct 2004 17:40

OK thanx

by **pinky** » 22 Oct 2004 18:45

hell , pay my airfare put me up and il pick it for free, even show you how.

or buy the pick for Â£352.50 from safe ventures and il send you step by step instructions, or buy a curtain pick at approx Â£120.

maybe i should import BS3621 locks and picks to the us and pop over every 2 months to run courses, if a locky could find a niche market for fitting these locks in bulk in the us, it would be cool as he or she would be the only locky able to gain entry to them, hell of a niche market.

by **bushd** » 22 Oct 2004 20:45

The lack of information and even sightings of high security and quality lever locks would lead me to believe they're more safer to picking since obtaining the information has taken me some time. A bit harder then using makeshift tools for a beginner. Then again lexan I think (The bulletproof stuff) is better then windows - anti-brick throwing. :lol:

Lever lock pick in US

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